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Too Tall Posted April 14, 2009 Author Share Posted April 14, 2009 Two thoughts:1) The scoring system - needs to be set in stone here and on the website. No debates on the day. 2) To encourage yet more prizes, sponsors etc... perhaps a prize if some records were broken. The strongman scoring system, as before, encourages a win. But I'm willing to bet more than a few grip fans would like to see some big numbers. It would not bother me on the slightest if the prize package was made smaller if, in doing so, the extra was put on events. So $500.00 for winning but $100 for breaking the pinch record for example. Or, as suggested, keep the prize package as is but have $100.00, whatever, added by sponsors, for breaking records. Of course they get to save their money if we don't break a record. Not all events need have this as well, just those you wanna see big numbers on. Just throwing it out there... perhaps those with connections might consider asking their potential sponsors if they'd consider it. It's a cheap way of getting their names on the sponsor list and a nice way to earn a few bucks and encourage a record tpo be broken. I have gone back and forth on this scoring system...and this is what I am going with...I am going to keep it old school simple. 1st - gets 1 point 2nd - gets 2 points 3rd - gets 3 points *If there is a tie let's say for 4th place for example - they who tied get 4 points...no split points. *LEAST amount of points at the end of the day WINS! *For some odd reason if there is a tie(s) anywhere...then there will be a Farmer's Hold for time - 250 each hand! *I will update the website too on this. *Prize money will stay the same. I will ask about the $$$ for records that are broken. *This is going to be a VERY tough contest with A LOT of talent. About 9 weeks to game time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Natural Posted April 14, 2009 Share Posted April 14, 2009 But Chad, I'm not strong enough to do a farmer's hold for time! This is supposed to be about grip strength! -Rex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Too Tall Posted April 14, 2009 Author Share Posted April 14, 2009 But Chad, I'm not strong enough to do a farmer's hold for time! This is supposed to be about grip strength!-Rex Hopefully there will not be any ties Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mwhities Posted April 14, 2009 Share Posted April 14, 2009 I can't compete, but I think I will attend to volunteer and meet all of you awesome people. Hopefully get pointers and help with my current gripping and maybe bending! Michael Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mobsterone Posted April 15, 2009 Share Posted April 15, 2009 Loading?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Too Tall Posted April 15, 2009 Author Share Posted April 15, 2009 Loading?? Same scoring system. Time will be kept on objects that you load if there is a tie for objects lifted in the medley. So...speed and strategy will play a BIG part in the medley. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mobsterone Posted April 15, 2009 Share Posted April 15, 2009 Nah. I meant Michael could help with the loading. His way of taking part. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mwhities Posted April 15, 2009 Share Posted April 15, 2009 Nah. I meant Michael could help with the loading. His way of taking part. I'd help anyway. I'd definitely like loading. That's help on my pinching/gripping. Michael Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Gillingham Posted April 15, 2009 Share Posted April 15, 2009 Two thoughts:1) The scoring system - needs to be set in stone here and on the website. No debates on the day. 2) To encourage yet more prizes, sponsors etc... perhaps a prize if some records were broken. The strongman scoring system, as before, encourages a win. But I'm willing to bet more than a few grip fans would like to see some big numbers. It would not bother me on the slightest if the prize package was made smaller if, in doing so, the extra was put on events. So $500.00 for winning but $100 for breaking the pinch record for example. Or, as suggested, keep the prize package as is but have $100.00, whatever, added by sponsors, for breaking records. Of course they get to save their money if we don't break a record. Not all events need have this as well, just those you wanna see big numbers on. Just throwing it out there... perhaps those with connections might consider asking their potential sponsors if they'd consider it. It's a cheap way of getting their names on the sponsor list and a nice way to earn a few bucks and encourage a record tpo be broken. I have gone back and forth on this scoring system...and this is what I am going with...I am going to keep it old school simple. 1st - gets 1 point 2nd - gets 2 points 3rd - gets 3 points *If there is a tie let's say for 4th place for example - they who tied get 4 points...no split points. *LEAST amount of points at the end of the day WINS! *For some odd reason if there is a tie(s) anywhere...then there will be a Farmer's Hold for time - 250 each hand! *I will update the website too on this. *Prize money will stay the same. I will ask about the $$$ for records that are broken. *This is going to be a VERY tough contest with A LOT of talent. About 9 weeks to game time. Why not split points on ties? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mobsterone Posted April 15, 2009 Share Posted April 15, 2009 Because it would, for example, means either 2 points each (the same as for 2nd even though you came 4th) or 8, the same as 8th. I've seen a few strongman competitions where I've been damned if I could work out how someone kicking ass lost in the final tally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
climber511 Posted April 15, 2009 Share Posted April 15, 2009 I have always been confused by Strongman scoring - there seems to be more than one way it is done - and just when I think I've got it - I see something I have no clue how things happened that way. I don't care how it's done but I think explaining it right up front before the contest is a good thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroodingMoon Posted April 15, 2009 Share Posted April 15, 2009 (edited) Why not split points on ties? There are disadvantages to any scoring system, I'll try and give a simple example for not splitting and for splitting points on ties. Consider 3 competitors Alan, Bob and Charlie and 2 events Grippers/Pinch say. Suppose the results are like this: Grippers: Alan & Bob - 1st, Charlie - 3rd Pinch: Alan & Bob - 2nd, Charlie - 1st If we don't split ties we have Alan - 3 pts Bob - 3 pts Charlie - 4 pts If we do split ties Alan, Bob & Charlie all have 4 points. Which is more fair? Both Alan and Bob got a first place and a second place, while Charlie got a first and a third, so you could say splitting points gives Charlie an unfair advantage. On the other hand you could say when Charlie won he beat 2 people, whereas when the others won they only beat 1 person so they deserve to draw. Another disadvantage to not splitting ties, if there is a tie in grippers but not in pinch, then you are dealing out less total points in the grippers event and are therefore weighting that event (very slightly) over pinch. For this reason I would personally go with splitting points on ties. Chris Edited April 15, 2009 by BroodingMoon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Lipinski Posted April 16, 2009 Share Posted April 16, 2009 The strongman stuff really isn't complicated. Usually the results come out pretty damn close anyways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Gillingham Posted April 16, 2009 Share Posted April 16, 2009 Why not split points on ties? There are disadvantages to any scoring system, I'll try and give a simple example for not splitting and for splitting points on ties. Consider 3 competitors Alan, Bob and Charlie and 2 events Grippers/Pinch say. Suppose the results are like this: Grippers: Alan & Bob - 1st, Charlie - 3rd Pinch: Alan & Bob - 2nd, Charlie - 1st If we don't split ties we have Alan - 3 pts Bob - 3 pts Charlie - 4 pts If we do split ties Alan, Bob & Charlie all have 4 points. Which is more fair? Both Alan and Bob got a first place and a second place, while Charlie got a first and a third, so you could say splitting points gives Charlie an unfair advantage. On the other hand you could say when Charlie won he beat 2 people, whereas when the others won they only beat 1 person so they deserve to draw. Another disadvantage to not splitting ties, if there is a tie in grippers but not in pinch, then you are dealing out less total points in the grippers event and are therefore weighting that event (very slightly) over pinch. For this reason I would personally go with splitting points on ties. Chris In this case you go to a tie breaker which is number of 1st places, then number of 2nd (if still tied), etc... Alan and Bob tie on this countback. The problem with not splitting points is if you have 10 guys, there are 10 possible points. If you have a tie and don't split, you have > 10 points for that event. This is not fair for someone who places ahead of the guys who tied - less point difference means less value for that event. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroodingMoon Posted April 16, 2009 Share Posted April 16, 2009 Why not split points on ties? There are disadvantages to any scoring system, I'll try and give a simple example for not splitting and for splitting points on ties. Consider 3 competitors Alan, Bob and Charlie and 2 events Grippers/Pinch say. Suppose the results are like this: Grippers: Alan & Bob - 1st, Charlie - 3rd Pinch: Alan & Bob - 2nd, Charlie - 1st If we don't split ties we have Alan - 3 pts Bob - 3 pts Charlie - 4 pts If we do split ties Alan, Bob & Charlie all have 4 points. Which is more fair? Both Alan and Bob got a first place and a second place, while Charlie got a first and a third, so you could say splitting points gives Charlie an unfair advantage. On the other hand you could say when Charlie won he beat 2 people, whereas when the others won they only beat 1 person so they deserve to draw. Another disadvantage to not splitting ties, if there is a tie in grippers but not in pinch, then you are dealing out less total points in the grippers event and are therefore weighting that event (very slightly) over pinch. For this reason I would personally go with splitting points on ties. Chris In this case you go to a tie breaker which is number of 1st places, then number of 2nd (if still tied), etc... Alan and Bob tie on this countback. The problem with not splitting points is if you have 10 guys, there are 10 possible points. If you have a tie and don't split, you have > 10 points for that event. This is not fair for someone who places ahead of the guys who tied - less point difference means less value for that event. Well for 10 guys there are 1+2+...+10=55 points and for not splitting <55 because we had lowest points win, but it's the same logic and I totally agree with what you're saying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Too Tall Posted April 16, 2009 Author Share Posted April 16, 2009 Here is the list of competitors so far that have paid: UPDATED 4-16-09 Jedd Johnson Paul Knight Rex Hubbard Steve Gardener - PAID Chris Rice Chad Woodall - PAID Andrew Durniat Big Wes Peart Aaron C. (AC) - PAID Big Dave Thorton Brent Barbe - PAID Ryan Johnson Derek Graybill John Eaton Zach C. - PAID Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Too Tall Posted April 17, 2009 Author Share Posted April 17, 2009 (edited) I am giving nice plaques for 1st - 5th. I figured guys would want plaques rather than a tall trophy. I will order the T-Shirts in the next couple of weeks. Those that have not given me a t-shirt size...PLEASE let me know thru PM. I also talked with Steve Slater and I am letting the "Show Bell" aka Inch Replica shell go for 4th place This is around a $400 value. Also, there will be around 100 + spectators to cheer us on Get those entries in Chad Edited April 17, 2009 by Too Tall Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlong132003 Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 I am getting a Inch type replica...more a monster Inch i think. It should be done by the contest I will bring it for all to see and lift. It is shot loadable to over 200# This thing is a beast! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico300zx Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 Bill make sure you show a pic here, i cant make the contest rico Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mwhities Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 I've been told that I'm pretty handy (no pun) with a camera. If I can make it out and allowed to, I'll take random pictures of/around/in the event and then send them to Chad or whomever. Is the acceptable? I'll still volunteer as well for loading or anything. (I'm really good at baby sitting the kegs...) :P Michael Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mobsterone Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 Bill make sure you show a pic here, i cant make the contestrico Unless Bill attends it wont be up to him to create a thing. If I might suggest we use a single photo bucket type account and those of us with photos worth a mention add them to the one single account for all to enjoy. OR... send them ALL to Chad/Bill/whoever and he creates a gallery. I've been told that I'm pretty handy (no pun) with a camera. If I can make it out and allowed to, I'll take random pictures of/around/in the event and then send them to Chad or whomever. Is the acceptable? I'll still volunteer as well for loading or anything. (I'm really good at baby sitting the kegs...) :P Michael The more photos the better I'm sure but I think Mighty Joe offered to do the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mobsterone Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 Warning! Warning! Warning! Smack talk alert....!!!! If the last couple of weeks are anything to go by... you're all in trouble Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Too Tall Posted April 17, 2009 Author Share Posted April 17, 2009 Warning! Warning! Warning! Smack talk alert....!!!!If the last couple of weeks are anything to go by... you're all in trouble I'll be ready for you big guy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mobsterone Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 Trash talk warning... Are you sure... you keep the numbers very quiet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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