OldGuy Posted March 13, 2004 Share Posted March 13, 2004 The only legend with ties to IM is Joe Kinney apart from JB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cjcocn Posted March 13, 2004 Share Posted March 13, 2004 Here is my $0.02 on this matter .......... Bottom line for me is: -no explanation -no justification -no warning (esp since some guys were in the middle of a cert) -arbitrary measuring device (given some thought, they could have come up with something a bit more ..... credible than a credit card - esp considering the earlier post on how to skirt the new rule) This all equals a loss of credibility IMO and I would rather work towards something that has a solid base and is not prone to seemingly haphazard changes. I just want to have a monster grip and set or no set I will one day close whatever gripper is put in front of me. BTW, I have been reading more of the board and have realized that I do not really know what a "set" is, so have been doing my closes with just enough set to get my pinky in place. I just re-measured my hand and it is a shade under 8" .... so getting a credit card to fit does not bother me. What does bother me greatly is the mid-stream change in the IM cert (again, esp. considering that some guys are part ways through the process) and for that reason alone all of my future certs will be via this GB and my own belief which is good enough for me. Besides, if I know that I can close a particular gripper, then it does not really matter who else knows it or believes it. I know that I cannot lie to myself about a close and when I mash each successive gripper my own sense of accomplishment will be my greatest reward. That being said, any external certs should be free of controversy so I would rather focus less on the IM cert process/changes and focus more on building this GB's cert into something that can one day be THE cert to aim for. After all, IM started somewhere too, did they not? PS ... as for the MM0, let's make it a bit over the #3 so that there can be no doubt about the strengths behind the GB certs. ............ keep the change Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Van Weele Posted March 13, 2004 Share Posted March 13, 2004 I have a funny feeling that Kinney had no part in the rule change. He just doesn't seem like the type of guy who would care about this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldGuy Posted March 13, 2004 Share Posted March 13, 2004 I have a funny feeling that Kinney had no part in the rule change. He just doesn't seem like the type of guy who would care about this. I doubt if JK could care less, There are however only about half a dozen grip legends, maybe less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Piche Posted March 13, 2004 Share Posted March 13, 2004 Remember guys, it was just a rumor. Or was it posted in this thread as a direct response from Randy himself??? Not sure. There's now 13 pages of posts so I'm not going thru it. Anyway, remember, just what I heard (or was it read in this thread?). Besides, just because a legend was asked doesn't mean they agreed it was a good thing for mid-stream changing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Vigeant Posted March 13, 2004 Share Posted March 13, 2004 The only legend with ties to IM is Joe Kinney apart from JB. You might be right. I just thought he has NO interest in grippers. and someone else just got BACK into it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tspinillo Posted March 13, 2004 Share Posted March 13, 2004 (edited) I have had it up to here. I've come too far over the past 4 months. Rubbing my hands down with Ben-Gay, sleeping with mittens, taking aspirin until my ears ring - no, this is war now. My wife is one signature away from having me committed. If they require a Visa card or my Sam's Club card, I'm doing it. I just hope to god credit cards don't become wider this year. T Edited March 13, 2004 by tspinillo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Piche Posted March 13, 2004 Share Posted March 13, 2004 If IronMind comes out with a new VISA card, I am shutting down this board pronto! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MIKE HALEY RILEY CLOE Posted March 13, 2004 Share Posted March 13, 2004 Right Wanna, The only thing I was really getting at, is that there are only so many names with the "Legend Of Grip" title in them. Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldGuy Posted March 13, 2004 Share Posted March 13, 2004 We all know the someone else who just got back into it. Could well be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Piche Posted March 13, 2004 Share Posted March 13, 2004 I am sure all they did is provide an opinion. That's all. So, did a few others I guess. It was Randy's decision to make. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roark Posted March 13, 2004 Share Posted March 13, 2004 The best opinions to be found on matters of grippers can be found on this GripBoard. Was anyone consulted? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldGuy Posted March 13, 2004 Share Posted March 13, 2004 We don't exist, but somehow buy most of the grippers and grip tools! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patrick Posted March 13, 2004 Share Posted March 13, 2004 In a responce that Randy gave me he said he talked to a top level guy in the grip game about this issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest gripmaster316 Posted March 13, 2004 Share Posted March 13, 2004 (edited) All I can say is wow! So many posts. I did not know that the grip world was so conservative! In sifting through all 12 pages of this stuff I just want to say a few things. Someone said that with this credit card stuff that you would be doing 90% of the close. No! A credit card is about 2 inches? So a gripper with a 3 inch spread, you still have an inch to play around with... I am not quite sure if this is enough for the smaller handed individual. Anyway with this new rule 66% of the close is at your disposal. It would not be surprising if Kinney had any input in this rule... may I remind you of his domination of the 4. Even though Randal is probably getting many hate mails I find it good that he gets back to some of you guys! Most likely the rule will not go away so don't complain... train! Yes I understand that the smaller handed individual will find it harder... how about focusing your hatred on a gripper attempt? As well think how mighty impressive it will be when you smaller handed people start closing the #3 in this way! When you close a gripper in a no set, 2 inch etc. style you can be proud to say that you have dominated that gripper. Edited March 13, 2004 by gripmaster316 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearcat 74 Posted March 13, 2004 Share Posted March 13, 2004 I would bet money Joe Kinney had nothing to do with this rule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest gripmaster316 Posted March 13, 2004 Share Posted March 13, 2004 Then the question remains... who was it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldGuy Posted March 13, 2004 Share Posted March 13, 2004 Grip Buying/Selling/Trading I wonder if this forum will now get more busy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asultzer Posted March 13, 2004 Share Posted March 13, 2004 Can't believe this crap. Just lost a lot of respect for Ironmind and Strossen. I just got my new copy of the magizine. Had it in the dumper for leisure reading. Ill have to shelf it for a while now till I can stomach this new rule. I just starting getting consistent with the damn thing too. Thanks a lot Randy. Reminds me of the nerdy kid that would bring his new basketball to the park and want to play and control the game, changing the rules mid game and all. After a while he would get frustrated and throw a hissy, stomp off in a tiff with his ball and go home. " You guys play by my new rules or I'm going home with my ball." "Huh." Nothing like a guy with a little power abusing it like a 4 year old. Dammmmmit! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbrown Posted March 13, 2004 Share Posted March 13, 2004 I played around with the new technique a little tonight. It is harder than with a deep set for sure, but it is not as hard as a no set. The shallow set that you can get with the credit card width can put you in a much better position than a true no set. I predict many people on here will be able to do the #3 with this credit card method in time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimer Posted March 13, 2004 Share Posted March 13, 2004 Does anyone know when sets were first allowed? Just read on the Grip Board that Bob Lipinski used one about Dec. 2000 which he said was with Strossen's knowledge. Someone else quoted Strossen as saying he allowed it a little over a year ago--meaning about early 2003. Maybe some people wouldn't mind posting when they were certified and whether they did a no set or set close. Just curious. Also how many have had to close a new gripper out of the box? It would be interesting to see who did this out of the box close and when. Does that apply just to the #4 or also to the #3? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainJake Posted March 13, 2004 Share Posted March 13, 2004 Stupid question, what is Strossen's e-mail? Do I just send it to Sales@Ironmind.com or is it something else? Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mobsterone Posted March 13, 2004 Share Posted March 13, 2004 One or two of So you must be close to the #4 still with the new rule right? Now there's a question! Let me see how I get on at the Iron Grip. If I ain't going to the European then I'll focus on the CoC 4. What i'm saying is you were close to the #4 before the rule how about now? No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mobsterone Posted March 13, 2004 Share Posted March 13, 2004 Randy's reply:Jim, Many thanks for writing about this because I think a lot of people are interested in what we planned to do with the certification lists. There are no second-class citizens on our lists because if we didn't believe somebody followed the rules, we wouldn't have certified them. Also, we don't feel that anybody should be penalized because a rule was later clarified or revised. And something that not everybody might know is that a lot of guys on our lists closed the grippers in just this style - the one-inch rule was something we instituted a little over a year ago to try to stop what appeared to be a trend toward deeper and deeper sets. It might seem radical at first glance, but all we're really trying to do here is hold the line on the set, and nobody is getting kicked off any list, demoted, or anything else like that. I talked someone earlier this afternoon who thought we meant the long edge of the credit card and so he was concerned about being able to close the gripper if you didn't have hands the size of a baseball glove - what we mean is the narrow edge, so you'd be starting with about a two-inch spread, which will accommodate even a smaller than average hand. Many thanks for asking about this - we'd like to answer any questions that we can about this. Randy Strossen IronMind Enterprises, Inc. Now ask him about Jan Bartl and the Rolling Thunder rule change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mooinabc1 Posted March 13, 2004 Share Posted March 13, 2004 BS some people have small hands and that last 1/2 inch is the hardest to shut close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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