Jedd Johnson Posted July 11, 2011 Share Posted July 11, 2011 It was actually one of the events in one of the WSH legs but the US organisers bailed out when the weaklings complained that they could not even get the basic set up (typically 25-26k) off the ground. Right. We are all a bunch of pussies and none of us could pinch 60-lbs. I think you've got some facts confused there, Mikael. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
climber511 Posted July 11, 2011 Share Posted July 11, 2011 David is one of the best grip guys in the world and a great pinch lifter. But for you to start making up the "best combined 2 and 1 hand pinch title" when the one hand event has only been done a couple times ever in competition is - well weird somehow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico300zx Posted July 11, 2011 Share Posted July 11, 2011 please state the US promotors names since youve now “implied" a fact that they bailed for being to weak to lift the apparatus. Rico Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikael Siversson Posted July 11, 2011 Author Share Posted July 11, 2011 (edited) The 1HP was part of one of the legs of DH's WSH series. The event was kept as is in the UK but replaced with the 2HP in the US. You ask the US organisers why they dropped the 1HP. It is perfectly alright if US organisers do not, for whatever reason, include the 1HP on the Euro set up in their competitions. This seems to be a sensitive topic for some, fascinating. I recall many of you implying that the 1'' vbar lift is a weird event that has little to do with grip strength. It was actually one of the events in one of the WSH legs but the US organisers bailed out when the weaklings complained that they could not even get the basic set up (typically 25-26k) off the ground. Right. We are all a bunch of pussies and none of us could pinch 60-lbs. I think you've got some facts confused there, Mikael. Edited July 11, 2011 by Mikael Siversson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikael Siversson Posted July 11, 2011 Author Share Posted July 11, 2011 It's called baiting Chris. David is one of the best grip guys in the world and a great pinch lifter. But for you to start making up the "best combined 2 and 1 hand pinch title" when the one hand event has only been done a couple times ever in competition is - well weird somehow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barbe705 Posted July 11, 2011 Share Posted July 11, 2011 The 1HP was part of one of the legs of DH's WSH series. The event was kept as is in the UK but replaced with the 2HP in the US. You ask the US organisers why they dropped the 1HP. I don't think this is correct. otherwise, how can people be ranked as one group if they're doing different events? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barbe705 Posted July 11, 2011 Share Posted July 11, 2011 from what I can see the 1hp was changed to 2hp for all locations. I haven't been keeping up with the threads though. if some locations have 1hp and some have 2hp can someone point out to me where it says that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mobsterone Posted July 11, 2011 Share Posted July 11, 2011 It's worth seeing, apart from this year, how often the 1HP has been contested. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Styles Posted July 11, 2011 Share Posted July 11, 2011 Step 1: Introduce 82.5k weight class Step 2: Combine 1HP and 2HP for pinch ranking, Step 3: Mikael Siversson is the UNDISPUTED CHAMPION OF GRIP!!!! I can't be the only one having v-bar deja vu... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedd Johnson Posted July 11, 2011 Share Posted July 11, 2011 The 1HP was part of one of the legs of DH's WSH series. The event was kept as is in the UK but replaced with the 2HP in the US. You ask the US organisers why they dropped the 1HP. It is perfectly alright if US organisers do not, for whatever reason, include the 1HP on the Euro set up in their competitions. This seems to be a sensitive topic for some, fascinating. I recall many of you implying that the 1'' vbar lift is a weird event that has little to do with grip strength. It was actually one of the events in one of the WSH legs but the US organisers bailed out when the weaklings complained that they could not even get the basic set up (typically 25-26k) off the ground. Right. We are all a bunch of pussies and none of us could pinch 60-lbs. I think you've got some facts confused there, Mikael. All I know is out of nowhere one day I got an email from David sent to ALL promoters, that all of a sudden the 1HP was being replaced by 2HP. If you want, I will dig out the email and paste it here. I also do not understand how the whole series could be contested with different events, unless the 1HP will not be factored into the results. If that's the case fine. I have absolutely no problem running 1HP in addition to 2HP. In fact, I think it would be a good experiment to see where peoples' numbers lie, but again, Mikael, I think you either have some facts mixed up or you and I have received two different stories. I can only comment on what i have been told myself which isn't much. Since it seems like you have more information than I do, Mikael, how about you toss out the names of who the people were that did not want 1HP contested. It's worth seeing, apart from this year, how often the 1HP has been contested. Mobster, are you guys running 1HP in the UK and we are doing 2HP here in the US? That is not the info I have received...thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mobsterone Posted July 11, 2011 Share Posted July 11, 2011 Nah. For a start I've had a year out. Secondly for all of Mikeals jive talk I think it has not been contest that often. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedd Johnson Posted July 11, 2011 Share Posted July 11, 2011 A year off sounds so good right now... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mobsterone Posted July 11, 2011 Share Posted July 11, 2011 I think David's just done this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acorn Posted July 11, 2011 Share Posted July 11, 2011 A year off sounds so good right now... Feels good too Brutha! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikael Siversson Posted July 11, 2011 Author Share Posted July 11, 2011 (edited) Jedd, I stand corrected. It was dropped from the WSH in the UK as well but only after complaints from one or more US organiser or from UK competitors. David Horne would have the details. The 1HP would instead have been part of the British Championship (which perhaps implies that the complaints came from the US). I was very disappointed when I read about it on David's website as I had looked forward to see how my numbers stacked up against those of others in this lift. I am glad to hear that you were prepared to go ahead with the event Jedd. All I know is out of nowhere one day I got an email from David sent to ALL promoters, that all of a sudden the 1HP was being replaced by 2HP. If you want, I will dig out the email and paste it here. I also do not understand how the whole series could be contested with different events, unless the 1HP will not be factored into the results. If that's the case fine. I have absolutely no problem running 1HP in addition to 2HP. In fact, I think it would be a good experiment to see where peoples' numbers lie, but again, Mikael, I think you either have some facts mixed up or you and I have received two different stories. I can only comment on what i have been told myself which isn't much. Since it seems like you have more information than I do, Mikael, how about you toss out the names of who the people were that did not want 1HP contested. It's worth seeing, apart from this year, how often the 1HP has been contested. Mobster, are you guys running 1HP in the UK and we are doing 2HP here in the US? That is not the info I have received...thanks. Edited July 11, 2011 by Mikael Siversson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedd Johnson Posted July 12, 2011 Share Posted July 12, 2011 "I stand corrected. It was dropped from the WSH in the UK as well but only after complaints from one or more US organiser or from UK competitors." I don't know where you are getting your information, but you should question the source. According to David, there were no complaints made from the US or the UK and in fact there was one single concern brought up by a Finnish women's competitor about the weight of their specific implement with they themselves not being able to lift it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikael Siversson Posted July 12, 2011 Author Share Posted July 12, 2011 Jedd, Then I stand corrected again and apologize to US organisers. I strongly disagree with his decision though if the event was dropped because of complaints from a single competitor. People have accepted the 1'' vbar lift in competitions even though biceps muscles have been shredded as a result. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barbe705 Posted July 12, 2011 Share Posted July 12, 2011 there may have only been one complaint but, it did apply to many people. most in the women's class wouldn't be able to hit the opener. and a good many of the men would miss it as well. since the wsh is in part an effort to bring in more people who are not grip specialists this was a very smart move on Horne's part. a number of the people last year were first timers or extremely new to the sport. any event should be able to have a low enough opener that people can make it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikael Siversson Posted July 12, 2011 Author Share Posted July 12, 2011 (edited) I thought you train grip hard for some time and then compete, not the other way around. More often than not grip competitions comprise a couple of grip nuts and a bunch of people from the nearest gym. Not sure if that represents progress. Let's think for a moment about the WSH series: World's Strongest Hands. The title certainly implies that we drag in every man, women and child off the street and give a quick run down on the Europinch. there may have only been one complaint but, it did apply to many people. most in the women's class wouldn't be able to hit the opener. and a good many of the men would miss it as well. since the wsh is in part an effort to bring in more people who are not grip specialists this was a very smart move on Horne's part. a number of the people last year were first timers or extremely new to the sport. any event should be able to have a low enough opener that people can make it. Edited July 12, 2011 by Mikael Siversson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikael Siversson Posted July 12, 2011 Author Share Posted July 12, 2011 Imagine the disappointment when Homer and his family are faced with the blob and the Inch in the medley in their first ever grip competition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedd Johnson Posted July 12, 2011 Share Posted July 12, 2011 Imagine the disappointment you must have felt when you learned the actual truth as to why the events were changed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikael Siversson Posted July 12, 2011 Author Share Posted July 12, 2011 (edited) Yes I was disappointed but not the way you think. You got an apology, be happy with that. I never got any apologies for all the verbal abuse and ridicule I had to endure (not from you though as far as I can remember) when I insisted that we calibrate weights for competitions or when I dared suggest that 'folding' is perhaps less of a test of wrist strength than reverse bending. Imagine the disappointment you must have felt when you learned the actual truth as to why the events were changed. Edited July 12, 2011 by Mikael Siversson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedd Johnson Posted July 12, 2011 Share Posted July 12, 2011 I didn't push back on you on either of those issues (folding / weighing plates) because I agreed with you. Those items made perfect sense. I was rather irritated though when you inferred (maybe even assumed) that US promoters were whining about events and got them changed, though. I'll be honest, it seems to me like you are looking for opportunities to take jabs these days, not point out possible ways to improve the sport. Debating how to implement divisions is one thing, and like I said, I want to wait for the data to make a call. But I did get irritated with the "whining U.S. promoter" B.S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jad Posted July 12, 2011 Share Posted July 12, 2011 Yes I was disappointed but not the way you think. You got an apology, be happy with that. I never got any apologies for all the verbal abuse and ridicule I had to endure (not from you though as far as I can remember) when I insisted that we calibrate weights for competitions or when I dared suggest that 'folding' is perhaps less of a test of wrist strength than reverse bending. Imagine the disappointment you must have felt when you learned the actual truth as to why the events were changed. While I greatly appreciate the directions you gave me in the PMs on the calibration process, I can't say I agree with/understand the certified scale part of the calibration process. You have no proof of what scale they used and medical scales are ok to weigh patients but not accurate enough for plates? What is the process that the Post Office or whomever uses to certify a scale? In otherwords, you can buy a high quality scale but we want a certified scale because it has been checked. So how is it checked? Does the scale auditor have a series of weights in divided increments up to a certain poundage similiar to the eleiko process you laid out for me? I remember them checking our scale for distric wrestling and while I didn't sit there and watch the guy the whole time, the scale went up to 350# and he certainly didn't drag 350# worth of scale weights, in small increments, in. I also seem to remember that the issue was people were dismissing DO bending as "folding" and not a test of wrist strength. I don't recall anybody arguing that it was less (it certainly is), unless you're referring to those who believe their DO style is more stressful because their fingers touch, but that's another issue. Either way, you have my appology. I think many times the debate here on the board gets taken for more than it is, as is common on the Internet, and if we were all in the same room, everybody would get along wonderfully. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barbe705 Posted July 12, 2011 Share Posted July 12, 2011 While I greatly appreciate the directions you gave me in the PMs on the calibration process, I can't say I agree with/understand the certified scale part of the calibration process. You have no proof of what scale they used and medical scales are ok to weigh patients but not accurate enough for plates? What is the process that the Post Office or whomever uses to certify a scale? In otherwords, you can buy a high quality scale but we want a certified scale because it has been checked. So how is it checked? Does the scale auditor have a series of weights in divided increments up to a certain poundage similiar to the eleiko process you laid out for me? I remember them checking our scale for distric wrestling and while I didn't sit there and watch the guy the whole time, the scale went up to 350# and he certainly didn't drag 350# worth of scale weights, in small increments, in. my understanding is that postal scales are certified by weights and measures on whatever time frame has been decided on. they do a 3 point calibration with certified scale weights. a high, low and mid point are checked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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