MalachiMcMullen Posted April 9, 2009 Author Share Posted April 9, 2009 I've always had it in my head that Konstantinovs was better than Bolton. I think he will get to 1k if he pulls 950+ this year and he'll do it weighing a solid 60lbs lighter than Andy. I just don't think you can unequivocally say that either Andy or KK is better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TKtheGreek Posted April 9, 2009 Share Posted April 9, 2009 Just to throw a little gas on the fire...Konstantinovs is a better deadlifter than Bolton. -Rex Not until he lifts more than Bolton he isn't. Unless you are a (near) 300lber talking lb-4-lb! 946 @ 270ish, soon to be 960+ @ same BW. Done on an IPF approved bar, not a DL bar like Bolton used for the 1008. He's the only 275er to get near 950, I believe. Also, Konstantinovs has to improve his DL without going up in BW, as he is in a restricted weight class. Bolton can go up in weight as much as he wants. So this is another thing that is more impressive about Konstantinovs. He can't afford to have any water retention that comes with using some of the more potent "goodies". Not taking anything away from Bolton. Just stirring up the shit. -Rex Creatine? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MalachiMcMullen Posted April 9, 2009 Author Share Posted April 9, 2009 Just to throw a little gas on the fire...Konstantinovs is a better deadlifter than Bolton. -Rex Not until he lifts more than Bolton he isn't. Unless you are a (near) 300lber talking lb-4-lb! 946 @ 270ish, soon to be 960+ @ same BW. Done on an IPF approved bar, not a DL bar like Bolton used for the 1008. He's the only 275er to get near 950, I believe. Also, Konstantinovs has to improve his DL without going up in BW, as he is in a restricted weight class. Bolton can go up in weight as much as he wants. So this is another thing that is more impressive about Konstantinovs. He can't afford to have any water retention that comes with using some of the more potent "goodies". Not taking anything away from Bolton. Just stirring up the shit. -Rex Creatine? Celltech silly goose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oceans11 Posted April 9, 2009 Share Posted April 9, 2009 Konstantinov is an absolutely awesome deadlifter and my favourite to watch but....... Andy Bolton has just proved he is the best there has ever been.... mind boggling! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jad Posted April 9, 2009 Share Posted April 9, 2009 If he's better than Andy because he can do it at a lighter weight, why doesn't he just pork out like Andy and go crush his record? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Natural Posted April 9, 2009 Share Posted April 9, 2009 (edited) If he's better than Andy because he can do it at a lighter weight, why doesn't he just pork out like Andy and go crush his record? Who can say? Maybe he wants to set records that will last the longest, which remaining in the 275 class would let him do. Maybe that girl he's been seen with likes to rub his six pack during sex, and so he stays lean for her sake. Maybe he wishes to avoid hypertension. There are so many possibilities. -Rex Edited April 9, 2009 by The Natural Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raikkonen Posted April 9, 2009 Share Posted April 9, 2009 the best deadlifter in the wolrd is A N D Y B O L T O N who has pulled the most? who is the only man to pull over 1000 lbs? i think to myself too that that dude Konstantinov would easily pull 1000 lbs if he was boltons weight. theirs nothing stopping him doing that. but he knows its not that simple. it may take years to increase your deadlift by just a little bit when pulling that much weight. its taken bolton 2 years plus to increease his record by just 5 lbs! but most other times he does after heavy benching and squatting. they are both fantastic pullers butregradless of weight, its the person who pulls the most! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Natural Posted April 9, 2009 Share Posted April 9, 2009 the best deadlifter in the wolrd is A N D Y B O L T O Nwho has pulled the most? who is the only man to pull over 1000 lbs? i think to myself too that that dude Konstantinov would easily pull 1000 lbs if he was boltons weight. theirs nothing stopping him doing that. but he knows its not that simple. it may take years to increase your deadlift by just a little bit when pulling that much weight. its taken bolton 2 years plus to increease his record by just 5 lbs! but most other times he does after heavy benching and squatting. they are both fantastic pullers butregradless of weight, its the person who pulls the most! If John pulls 900 at a bodyweight of 220 (someone like Coan), and Jeff pulls 901 at a bodyweight of 350, it seems you're committed to saying that Jeff is the better deadlifter. This seems to be a clear flaw of the crude absolutist approach. Bodyweight formuals are biased in favor of the really small guys, but here we're not asking whether a 132's 500 pound sumo DL is better than Mark Henry's 903 (it's not). We're dealing with a case where the maxes are extremely close. In the cases like I'm describing, the ligher lifter is the better deadlifter, but the Crude Absolutist must say that the heavier lifter is. -Rex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jad Posted April 9, 2009 Share Posted April 9, 2009 the best deadlifter in the wolrd is A N D Y B O L T O Nwho has pulled the most? who is the only man to pull over 1000 lbs? i think to myself too that that dude Konstantinov would easily pull 1000 lbs if he was boltons weight. theirs nothing stopping him doing that. but he knows its not that simple. it may take years to increase your deadlift by just a little bit when pulling that much weight. its taken bolton 2 years plus to increease his record by just 5 lbs! but most other times he does after heavy benching and squatting. they are both fantastic pullers butregradless of weight, its the person who pulls the most! If John pulls 900 at a bodyweight of 220 (someone like Coan), and Jeff pulls 901 at a bodyweight of 350, it seems you're committed to saying that Jeff is the better deadlifter. This seems to be a clear flaw of the crude absolutist approach. Bodyweight formuals are biased in favor of the really small guys, but here we're not asking whether a 132's 500 pound sumo DL is better than Mark Henry's 903 (it's not). We're dealing with a case where the maxes are extremely close. In the cases like I'm describing, the ligher lifter is the better deadlifter, but the Crude Absolutist must say that the heavier lifter is. -Rex Hmmm...sounds familiar to another debate in grip. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubthewonderscot Posted April 9, 2009 Share Posted April 9, 2009 I've always had it in my head that Konstantinovs was better than Bolton. I think he will get to 1k if he pulls 950+ this year and he'll do it weighing a solid 60lbs lighter than Andy. I just don't think you can unequivocally say that either Andy or KK is better. the great thing is we don't have to. They are both great. Way stronger than any of us, and a heck of a lot of fun to watch. I just don't understand why we need to say one is better than the other, they're just different. Both impressive as heck. cheers to both of them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lifesnotfair Posted April 9, 2009 Share Posted April 9, 2009 Maybe that girl he's been seen with likes to rub his six pack during sex, and so he stays lean for her sake.There are so many possibilities. -Rex LOL! Maybe he wants to please his homosexual fans who send Youtube messages asking for more shirtless videos! You'd have to ask him I guess! Hah. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Natural Posted April 9, 2009 Share Posted April 9, 2009 (edited) the best deadlifter in the wolrd is A N D Y B O L T O Nwho has pulled the most? who is the only man to pull over 1000 lbs? i think to myself too that that dude Konstantinov would easily pull 1000 lbs if he was boltons weight. theirs nothing stopping him doing that. but he knows its not that simple. it may take years to increase your deadlift by just a little bit when pulling that much weight. its taken bolton 2 years plus to increease his record by just 5 lbs! but most other times he does after heavy benching and squatting. they are both fantastic pullers butregradless of weight, its the person who pulls the most! If John pulls 900 at a bodyweight of 220 (someone like Coan), and Jeff pulls 901 at a bodyweight of 350, it seems you're committed to saying that Jeff is the better deadlifter. This seems to be a clear flaw of the crude absolutist approach. Bodyweight formuals are biased in favor of the really small guys, but here we're not asking whether a 132's 500 pound sumo DL is better than Mark Henry's 903 (it's not). We're dealing with a case where the maxes are extremely close. In the cases like I'm describing, the ligher lifter is the better deadlifter, but the Crude Absolutist must say that the heavier lifter is. -Rex Hmmm...sounds familiar to another debate in grip. Josh, I've admitted before many times that when e.g. Bob Sundin lifts the blob, it's more impressive than when a big handed guy lifts it. These concessions, nevertheless, do not mean a victory for the platform of the small-handed crowd. -Rex Edited April 9, 2009 by The Natural Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twig Posted April 9, 2009 Share Posted April 9, 2009 Maybe he wishes to avoid hypertension.Then he's in the wrong job! Your blood pressure during a heavy pull is astronomical. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnus Posted April 9, 2009 Share Posted April 9, 2009 Maybe he wishes to avoid hypertension.Then he's in the wrong job! Your blood pressure during a heavy pull is astronomical. Your telling me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jad Posted April 9, 2009 Share Posted April 9, 2009 the best deadlifter in the wolrd is A N D Y B O L T O Nwho has pulled the most? who is the only man to pull over 1000 lbs? i think to myself too that that dude Konstantinov would easily pull 1000 lbs if he was boltons weight. theirs nothing stopping him doing that. but he knows its not that simple. it may take years to increase your deadlift by just a little bit when pulling that much weight. its taken bolton 2 years plus to increease his record by just 5 lbs! but most other times he does after heavy benching and squatting. they are both fantastic pullers butregradless of weight, its the person who pulls the most! If John pulls 900 at a bodyweight of 220 (someone like Coan), and Jeff pulls 901 at a bodyweight of 350, it seems you're committed to saying that Jeff is the better deadlifter. This seems to be a clear flaw of the crude absolutist approach. Bodyweight formuals are biased in favor of the really small guys, but here we're not asking whether a 132's 500 pound sumo DL is better than Mark Henry's 903 (it's not). We're dealing with a case where the maxes are extremely close. In the cases like I'm describing, the ligher lifter is the better deadlifter, but the Crude Absolutist must say that the heavier lifter is. -Rex Hmmm...sounds familiar to another debate in grip. Josh, I've admitted before many times that when e.g. Bob Sundin lifts the blob, it's more impressive than when a big handed guy lifts it. These concessions, nevertheless, do not mean a victory for the platform of the small-handed crowd. -Rex So then you agree that Andy is better since he's pulling more? Or are you saying being the winner on the platform doesn't necessarily make you the most impressive due to outside circumstances ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AP Posted April 9, 2009 Share Posted April 9, 2009 we're not asking whether a 132's 500 pound sumo DL is better than Mark Henry's 903 (it's not). We're dealing with a case where the maxes are extremely close. In the cases like I'm describing, the ligher lifter is the better deadlifter, but the Crude Absolutist must say that the heavier lifter is.-Rex I would say its the other way around, that Bolton's and Ks bodyweights are quite similar but their dl maxes are very different, Andy's being much higher. Also I think at that level of bodyweight it seems that adding or taking away has very little effect on the DL. Many say that being lighter and having a smaller gut makes DLing easier (up to a point obviously), judging from the vid it looks like Andy lost a bit of gut since the 1003. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Natural Posted April 10, 2009 Share Posted April 10, 2009 (edited) the best deadlifter in the wolrd is A N D Y B O L T O Nwho has pulled the most? who is the only man to pull over 1000 lbs? i think to myself too that that dude Konstantinov would easily pull 1000 lbs if he was boltons weight. theirs nothing stopping him doing that. but he knows its not that simple. it may take years to increase your deadlift by just a little bit when pulling that much weight. its taken bolton 2 years plus to increease his record by just 5 lbs! but most other times he does after heavy benching and squatting. they are both fantastic pullers butregradless of weight, its the person who pulls the most! If John pulls 900 at a bodyweight of 220 (someone like Coan), and Jeff pulls 901 at a bodyweight of 350, it seems you're committed to saying that Jeff is the better deadlifter. This seems to be a clear flaw of the crude absolutist approach. Bodyweight formuals are biased in favor of the really small guys, but here we're not asking whether a 132's 500 pound sumo DL is better than Mark Henry's 903 (it's not). We're dealing with a case where the maxes are extremely close. In the cases like I'm describing, the ligher lifter is the better deadlifter, but the Crude Absolutist must say that the heavier lifter is. -Rex Hmmm...sounds familiar to another debate in grip. Josh, I've admitted before many times that when e.g. Bob Sundin lifts the blob, it's more impressive than when a big handed guy lifts it. These concessions, nevertheless, do not mean a victory for the platform of the small-handed crowd. -Rex So then you agree that Andy is better since he's pulling more? Or are you saying being the winner on the platform doesn't necessarily make you the most impressive due to outside circumstances ? There's relative strength and there's absolute strength, and I don't think they are commensurable. Then there's impressiveness, and for me this involves many different factors and is much less algorithmic or formulaic. For deadlifting, I consider these factors and more -How long has the lifter been training? Nick Winters, for example, recently pulled 855 in the gym, and he has been training deadlift for less than a year. This makes this lift much more impressive than Kevin Nee's 855 done at Strength Works two or so years ago, as he's been training DL since the age of 15. -Can the lifter put up similar numbers without a belt and suit? If I find that a lifter isn't get much out of a suit, this makes him more impressive to me. This is one of the reasons why sumo lifting disgusts me (one of many). They are able to taint the deadlift with gear just like they taint the squat and bench. -Bodyweight ratios. They are not the whole story, but they do play a part in my judgment. E.g. I think the 220 lifter in my above example is the more impressive deadlifter. Lots of others I could think of. Impressiveness is less about just the numbers and more about aesthetics. -Rex P.S. Here's Konstantinovs pulling 390 a few years ago without a suit, belt, or even shoes (Zach, take note). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQtMQsRKaFI...re=channel_page Edited April 10, 2009 by The Natural Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raikkonen Posted April 10, 2009 Share Posted April 10, 2009 (edited) bolton has pulled 418kg raw when he was 19. his best i believe is about 430 raw in competition like picking up nothing to him. Edited April 10, 2009 by raikkonen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MalachiMcMullen Posted April 10, 2009 Author Share Posted April 10, 2009 P.S. Here's Konstantinovs pulling 390 a few years ago without a suit, belt, or even shoes (Zach, take note).http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQtMQsRKaFI...re=channel_page I have that vid on my computer, as well as all other videos of Andy and Konstantinovs pulling. The shoes, if Andy lost them, he'd pull 1020 :rock This argument=Absurd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NavyDave Posted April 16, 2009 Share Posted April 16, 2009 How about Vince Anello, 4x bodyweight pull. I guess he's a better deadlifter than Konst and Andy Bolton. Forget what the bar weight is, the bodyweight scale is the true test of what's impressive! ................ Stupid argument. Anyone who cries about coefficients is lame. Coefficients only exist to make weak guys feel better about their lifts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unseenbeat Posted April 16, 2009 Share Posted April 16, 2009 Blah blah? Blah blah Andy Bolton is strong, blah, blah. Blah? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maidenfan Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 Nick Winters, for example, recently pulled 855 in the gym, Wow, that kid impresses me more every day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Beatty Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 Just to throw a little gas on the fire...Konstantinovs is a better deadlifter than Bolton. -Rex Not until he lifts more than Bolton he isn't. Unless you are a (near) 300lber talking lb-4-lb! 946 @ 270ish, soon to be 960+ @ same BW. Done on an IPF approved bar, not a DL bar like Bolton used for the 1008. He's the only 275er to get near 950, I believe. Also, Konstantinovs has to improve his DL without going up in BW, as he is in a restricted weight class. Bolton can go up in weight as much as he wants. So this is another thing that is more impressive about Konstantinovs. He can't afford to have any water retention that comes with using some of the more potent "goodies". Not taking anything away from Bolton. Just stirring up the shit. -Rex I'm still a fan of Coan's 903 at 220. But 1000+ is 1000+ if you weigh 500lbs. There's only the one of him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oceans11 Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 I have pulled 310kg raw at around 100kg..... so can really appreciate the magnitude of Coans lift.....from another planet! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 nick winters is also a very stand up guy. I have spoken with him on the boards for a few years now. Very down to earth and very helpful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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