King Kong - Videos of Top Crusher, Pinch Block, and Jug Lifts

[Londonjoseph]

3 minutes ago, Bill Piche said:

Really!?  

 

1 minute ago, Jedd Johnson said:

Tiziano deleted all of his grip videos???

Yes. This is a common theme of what we have seen from the past. Videos of him on the ghp, grippermania, and ironmind still exist. 

[Jedd Johnson]

Just now, Londonjoseph said:

 

Yes. This is a common theme of what we have seen from the past. Videos of him on the ghp, grippermania, and ironmind still exist. 

OK, just making sure I understood.  During all that time, I wasn't paying much attention.  Thanks.

[slazbob]

11 hours ago, Jared P said:

I think you, David, Bruce, slazbob, etc are confused about the Tiziano situation.

I'm pretty sure every single person on this board is highly skeptical of Tiziano, given his bodyweight and lack of an in-person witness. We would be fools not to be.

The main difference is, I haven't seen any video evidence or otherwise (such as the clear manipulations present in these King Kong videos - fingers sticking to the block, odd yellow residue, strange finger movements and behavior releasing the block, etc) to suggest that Tiziano has cheated in any way. He very well could be, as we have already discussed ad infinitum - but until credible evidence arises, or enough time passes without having acquired a witness, it would be more foolish to accuse someone outright of cheating. The greatest difference here is between skepticism and accusation. Skepticism is good and necessary - accusation, without sufficient evidence, and especially if proven wrong, makes a greater fool of the accuser. Certain people on this forum have been merely skeptical, a minority have made outright accusations that Tiziano is a cheater.

In law, false accusations (libel, slander, and defamation) often result in forced repayment of losses to the accused from the accuser. In ancient civlizations, such as in the Code of Hammurabi, severe punishments were doled out - "If a man accuses another man and charges him with homicide, but cannot bring proof against him, his accuser shall be killed." Making false accusations without evidence carries a heavy burden, and isn't to be taken lightly.

If Tiziano is proven to have cheated, or never proves himself legitimate in the future with a reliable in-person witness, we will all gladly dismiss and discredit all of his accomplishments forever - and rightly so. Not sure how much more clear we could possible make this. But if he proves himself as legitimate, what then? Do the accusers just get to say - "whoops, oh well, who cares" and move on?

Haha no confusion here. Don’t you have a list to make? 

[David_wigren]

11 hours ago, Jared P said:

I think you, David, Bruce, slazbob, etc are confused about the Tiziano situation.

I'm pretty sure every single person on this board is highly skeptical of Tiziano, given his bodyweight and lack of an in-person witness. We would be fools not to be.

The main difference is, I haven't seen any video evidence or otherwise (such as the clear manipulations present in these King Kong videos - fingers sticking to the block, odd yellow residue, strange finger movements and behavior releasing the block, etc) to suggest that Tiziano has cheated in any way. He very well could be, as we have already discussed ad infinitum - but until credible evidence arises, or enough time passes without having acquired a witness, it would be more foolish to accuse someone outright of cheating. The greatest difference here is between skepticism and accusation. Skepticism is good and necessary - accusation, without sufficient evidence, and especially if proven wrong, makes a greater fool of the accuser. Certain people on this forum have been merely skeptical, a minority have made outright accusations that Tiziano is a cheater.

In law, false accusations (libel, slander, and defamation) often result in forced repayment of losses to the accused from the accuser. In ancient civlizations, such as in the Code of Hammurabi, severe punishments were doled out - "If a man accuses another man and charges him with homicide, but cannot bring proof against him, his accuser shall be killed." Making false accusations without evidence carries a heavy burden, and isn't to be taken lightly.

If Tiziano is proven to have cheated, or never proves himself legitimate in the future with a reliable in-person witness, we will all gladly dismiss and discredit all of his accomplishments forever - and rightly so. Not sure how much more clear we could possible make this. But if he proves himself as legitimate, what then? Do the accusers just get to say - "whoops, oh well, who cares" and move on?

No, you are the one who is confused. Tiz is the one making claims about closing grippers on an elite level. HE is the one who must provide the proof of HIS claims. It is NOT up to us to find any evidence for neither proving or disproving his claims.

Right now Tiz is just a person on the internet who’s posted a few videos of him closing grippers we can’t possibly verify is legitimate. I nor anyone else have to accept his claims strictly on face value. Word is NOT bond.

That however doesn’t mean he’s fake. But it also doesn’t mean he’s legit. Like I stated several times. Tiz is just a guy who filmed himself, posted videos in the internet and claimed to be extraordinarily strong. Same as Kinney, same as Euclides (Silverback guy), same as Gazza, same as Timmy, same as (insert any other of people who posted amazing feats without ever verifying them).

Tiz is just the current example of something we’ve seen many times before both in grip and in steel bending. It will happen again over and over. And every time, there will always be guys who are willing to accept extraordinary claims without any proof.

 

Edited November 2, 2023 by David_wigren

[Ivan Cuk]

14 hours ago, Jared P said:

I think you, David, Bruce, slazbob, etc are confused about the Tiziano situation.

I'm pretty sure every single person on this board is highly skeptical of Tiziano, given his bodyweight and lack of an in-person witness. We would be fools not to be.

The main difference is, I haven't seen any video evidence or otherwise (such as the clear manipulations present in these King Kong videos - fingers sticking to the block, odd yellow residue, strange finger movements and behavior releasing the block, etc) to suggest that Tiziano has cheated in any way. He very well could be, as we have already discussed ad infinitum - but until credible evidence arises, or enough time passes without having acquired a witness, it would be more foolish to accuse someone outright of cheating. The greatest difference here is between skepticism and accusation. Skepticism is good and necessary - accusation, without sufficient evidence, and especially if proven wrong, makes a greater fool of the accuser. Certain people on this forum have been merely skeptical, a minority have made outright accusations that Tiziano is a cheater.

In law, false accusations (libel, slander, and defamation) often result in forced repayment of losses to the accused from the accuser. In ancient civlizations, such as in the Code of Hammurabi, severe punishments were doled out - "If a man accuses another man and charges him with homicide, but cannot bring proof against him, his accuser shall be killed." Making false accusations without evidence carries a heavy burden, and isn't to be taken lightly.

If Tiziano is proven to have cheated, or never proves himself legitimate in the future with a reliable in-person witness, we will all gladly dismiss and discredit all of his accomplishments forever - and rightly so. Not sure how much more clear we could possible make this. But if he proves himself as legitimate, what then? Do the accusers just get to say - "whoops, oh well, who cares" and move on?

     I think the real issue in recent situations has more to do with grip being a niche sport... as a result it seems a good fraction of the people think grip is some kind of mythical strength and they associate it with guys with who are generally not noted as being the biggest or most aesthetic. However that is partly due to your forearm being the main muscle group trained, physiques differ from sport to sport because of the specific muscles involved in it. Since grip is a niche sport, some people like to believe that the strength required is vastly different from that of a powerlifter, strongman, shot putter etc. The reality is that its not, so if a 200lbs male posted a video online doing a 500kg conventional deadlift in his home gym everyone is quick to point out that its not possible... the size difference between Eddie and Thor isn't much when you think about it, they were both around 200kg at the time of their lifts and built like absolute tanks. Therefore if someone half the bodyweight showed a video of himself deadlifting the same weight, you don't necessarily need proof that he faked it. If someone jumps their pinch block by 30kg in a year after already training for 5, you don't need proof that he faked it... its common sense.

    Since the sport is smaller people wanna believe anything is possible, we know its possible to close a GHP 10 because Carl did it... however Carl is also a mountain of a man with world class genetics for multiple sports including grip. He is no average man, and that just shows what you needed in your sport to have someone certify on such a gripper. We have to acknowledge that size plays a significant factor in strength, whether its your height, hand, joint size, muscle bellies, cross sectional muscle volume, they each pose an advantage for specific sports . As an addendum to that, Tiziano is only 64kg at 174cm? To think he would surpass Carl in grippers is quite absurd and I'm somewhat shocked people believed it. Once again they likely believed it due to the reasons i mentioned above, being a smaller sport has created a bubble of sorts.

    One of those bubbles caught my attention early one when I noticed grip is also often associated with tendon based strength... your cns fires the muscles, your muscles contract on the tendons (which is connecting compliant muscle to a stiff bone) which then moves the bone. If any one of those links fail, you cannot properly perform a movement let alone a heavy lift. Therefore the assumption that you can have super strong tendons but no muscle and still have world class strength is bullshit. You need both, on top of that when you are training grippers specifically you are contracting your finger flexors (flexor digitorum profundus and superficialis) which are driven by your central nervous system, then your tendons that are attached to those flexors have to withstand that force and transmite it to the fingers (bones). Grip lifts like rolling handles, blobs, saxons, axles, inch dumbbells etc are static not dynamic lifts (the muscle still has to go through a stretch shortening cycle to contract on the tendons so that the wrist and fingers do not open up) Additionally these lifts use more muscles which aid in wrist flexion and they are also partially dependent on coverage. Someone with a 9 inch hand would need less muscle to lift an inch dumbbell than if they had a 7.5 inch hand. A good chunk of the reason I excel in grippers as opposed to other grip events has to do with how hand is built, thicker palm muscles decrease coverage on lot of lifts, its also not very long from the wrist to the middle finger but my ring and pinky are much longer than average, this helps grippers as a result since the bottom portion is the widest it allows me to close from much wider sets. Furthermore my forearm flexors are inserted just under my wrist, combined with genetics for muscle building. Again these are all factors to consider, there is a science to how things are done.

     I'd love to believe that there are people out there with "mythical strength", but they never seem to show themselves repeating those feats in front of credible witnesses. So there doesn't seem to be a point in losing sleep over how someone's deleted videos were faked. It's not the first time this happened and it won't be the last, the more people are made aware of the science behind it the harder it will be to fool us. 

Edited November 2, 2023 by Ivan Cuk

[Jared P]

6 hours ago, Ivan Cuk said:

     I think the real issue in recent situations has more to do with grip being a niche sport... as a result it seems a good fraction of the people think grip is some kind of mythical strength and they associate it with guys with who are generally not noted as being the biggest or most aesthetic. However that is partly due to your forearm being the main muscle group trained, physiques differ from sport to sport because of the specific muscles involved in it. Since grip is a niche sport, some people like to believe that the strength required is vastly different from that of a powerlifter, strongman, shot putter etc. The reality is that its not, so if a 200lbs male posted a video online doing a 500kg conventional deadlift in his home gym everyone is quick to point out that its not possible... the size difference between Eddie and Thor isn't much when you think about it, they were both around 200kg at the time of their lifts and built like absolute tanks. Therefore if someone half the bodyweight showed a video of himself deadlifting the same weight, you don't necessarily need proof that he faked it. If someone jumps their pinch block by 30kg in a year after already training for 5, you don't need proof that he faked it... its common sense.

    Since the sport is smaller people wanna believe anything is possible, we know its possible to close a GHP 10 because Carl did it... however Carl is also a mountain of a man with world class genetics for multiple sports including grip. He is no average man, and that just shows what you needed in your sport to have someone certify on such a gripper. We have to acknowledge that size plays a significant factor in strength, whether its your height, hand, joint size, muscle bellies, cross sectional muscle volume, they each pose an advantage for specific sports . As an addendum to that, Tiziano is only 64kg at 174cm? To think he would surpass Carl in grippers is quite absurd and I'm somewhat shocked people believed it. Once again they likely believed it due to the reasons i mentioned above, being a smaller sport has created a bubble of sorts.

    One of those bubbles caught my attention early one when I noticed grip is also often associated with tendon based strength... your cns fires the muscles, your muscles contract on the tendons (which is connecting compliant muscle to a stiff bone) which then moves the bone. If any one of those links fail, you cannot properly perform a movement let alone a heavy lift. Therefore the assumption that you can have super strong tendons but no muscle and still have world class strength is bullshit. You need both, on top of that when you are training grippers specifically you are contracting your finger flexors (flexor digitorum profundus and superficialis) which are driven by your central nervous system, then your tendons that are attached to those flexors have to withstand that force and transmite it to the fingers (bones). Grip lifts like rolling handles, blobs, saxons, axles, inch dumbbells etc are static not dynamic lifts (the muscle still has to go through a stretch shortening cycle to contract on the tendons so that the wrist and fingers do not open up) Additionally these lifts use more muscles which aid in wrist flexion and they are also partially dependent on coverage. Someone with a 9 inch hand would need less muscle to lift an inch dumbbell than if they had a 7.5 inch hand. A good chunk of the reason I excel in grippers as opposed to other grip events has to do with how hand is built, thicker palm muscles decrease coverage on lot of lifts, its also not very long from the wrist to the middle finger but my ring and pinky are much longer than average, this helps grippers as a result since the bottom portion is the widest it allows me to close from much wider sets. Furthermore my forearm flexors are inserted just under my wrist, combined with genetics for muscle building. Again these are all factors to consider, there is a science to how things are done.

     I'd love to believe that there are people out there with "mythical strength", but they never seem to show themselves repeating those feats in front of credible witnesses. So there doesn't seem to be a point in losing sleep over how someone's deleted videos were faked. It's not the first time this happened and it won't be the last, the more people are made aware of the science behind it the harder it will be to fool us. 

Speaking pedantically about the science behind gripper closing is a bit absurd, as if we all don't understand how the muscles and tendons of the hand and forearm function. Also, everything you mentioned are the obvious and already explained reasons why we are all skeptical to begin with: his supposed strength to bodyweight ratio, and lack on an in-person witness.

However, Bruce has stated that he believes Tiziano's real strength is 181 rgc GHP 8 38-mm block set, which is still a 1.30 strength to bodyweight ratio, the highest ever recorded. Matt Cannon's highest gripper close was a 1.09 s/bw ratio, the second or third highest known. How has Tiziano set such a record without looking like Popeye reincarnated?

Has Tiziano also faked his lifting of stones twice his bodyweight? Perhaps they are made of styrofoam, and he's out there fooling everyone on the mountainside aiming for those lucrative and coveted stone-lifting sponsorships. The deer probably see right through his shenanigans.

He sure fooled Vano, Randall, and Wade also. Vano says the GM grippers were not tampered with, so that means Tiziano's editing skills must be top notch. I suppose if faking gripper closes doesn't work out, he could always find a career in videography.

If he is proven to be a cheater, or doesn't acquire a credible witness in the next 3-6 months, I'd say it would be more than fair to discredit his accomplishments entirely. But at least give people a little time, and the benefit of the doubt, before burning them at the stake.

[gripmaniac]

This thread seems to going way off-topic - perhaps the Mods could do some housekeeping and move all the relevant posts into a new "Tiziano ridiculing" topic.    

I don't recall anyone providing proof he cheated . . . .I'm not sure what the relevance is of bringing him up in this topic.

Of course as a topic he has so, so, so much further to go to catch Kinney - not that Joe (I'm sure) would mind the company !

 

 

 

 

[Jared P]

Tiziano has asked me to post this message on his behalf, as he says he is unable to post. Not sure about the reason behind that, but I agreed to post his message nonetheless:

[Londonjoseph]

On 11/5/2023 at 12:42 AM, Jared P said:

Tiziano has asked me to post this message on his behalf, as he says he is unable to post. Not sure about the reason behind that, but I agreed to post his message nonetheless:

Childish response if you ask me! 

[Cannon]

On 11/4/2023 at 11:42 PM, Jared P said:

 

What was this supposed to be? 

I did check his member account and it was locked for too many failed attempts to log in. I have unlocked it and he should be able to get in. Worst case, he should do a password reset. 

[Jared P]

6 hours ago, Cannon said:

What was this supposed to be? 

I did check his member account and it was locked for too many failed attempts to log in. I have unlocked it and he should be able to get in. Worst case, he should do a password reset. 

Okay, I'll let him know.

That image is a screenshot of Tiziano's message, not sure what happened to it though.

Tiziano's message was:

"Guys I didn't delete any videos. Two Instagram profiles were reported to me and closed, and I have only now managed to recover my YouTube channel, I'm sure some of you funny people contributed to this , in any case I sent bader to my house as he sent me to him. the doubt, as already said, is yours, not mine so when I recover from the injury I hope soon he will come to me, not me to him. I'm happy like this, whoever had to judge me judged me and considered me valid yours will remain bar chatter, as my name will remain at the top of the charts where most of you are not even present so I leave you to your glory have fun making hot air"

[Chez]

I’m not a fan of bs excuses, if your strong show up in person and do it front of people. I always hear “it’s too much money” excuse and that isn’t good enough for me. We have reliable members all over the worlds. I have closed huge grippers in front of many members of the grip board. I even traveled an hour each way at night on a work trip to AZ to visit aaron C and close my first coc #4s at his house. 

[Ivan Pupchenko]

5 hours ago, Chez said:

I’m not a fan of bs excuses, if your strong show up in person and do it front of people. I always hear “it’s too much money” excuse and that isn’t good enough for me. We have reliable members all over the worlds. I have closed huge grippers in front of many members of the grip board. I even traveled an hour each way at night on a work trip to AZ to visit aaron C and close my first coc #4s at his house. 

Before your trip to Aaron, did someone call you a fraudster, despite your official  Coc-3.5 certification? I am not particularly interested in this certification and its history, so I do not know if you did it before or after. I know that you are very strong in closing grippers - and I don't need a timeline of your achievements in my head. It's just that if you see an analogy in your story and Tiziano's story, then there really isn't one. Some alternatively gifted people called him a fraudster despite his at least two certifications with grippers of known calibration - this is CoC-3.5 (the gripper was not calibrated, but Matt's statistics suggest its probable strength) and GMC grippers - calibrated in the RGC. Those who call him a fraudster will not change their minds and will not apologize to him, even if he closes something heavy in the presence of trusted judges. In the same way as now they do not provide any evidence of their accusations, and then they will say - "the judges must prove that they are not in collusion with Tiziano" or something else. It is obvious to me that it is primarily a matter in personal hostility based on envy, and only then in the need to prove something to someone.

[Vinnie]

I "liked" both of the two previous posts, which are opposite in their message, because they perfectly illustrate that two respected grip board members can have a different view of Tiziano's feats.

I understand both these views.

Officially, I acknowledge Tiziano's feats because he has obtained certifications from respected sources and I will rely on those sources.

Personally, from the perspective of a fan of the sport and a person who has celebrated my own achievements, I want to see these feats done more publicly.  Sorry, Tiziano -- I officially believe you, but I can't for the life of me understand why someone who can do those things does not want to do it around others, like, all the time and with great fanfare.  In the process of obtaining what certifications I could for myself (not as high as yours but decent enough), I also went to as many competitions as I could, where I closed grippers in the range of my certs around friends and strangers.  I brought interesting grippers, like a low-rated 3.5, across the U.S. to a comp to let someone else try it, and he brought one to let me try it.  I drove 14 hours to a comp when I was kind of short on money, and I sold $400 worth of grip equipment to the promoter to cover the cost of my trip -- and I closed my PR gripper there, and won the comp, beating someone who was the favorite and closing the highest gripper of anyone there.  

I think what is bothering people is that they cannot understand why, if people like ME (with LESS impressive gripper ability than you) are so eager to get around and do this with others, why would YOU (with the most impressive grip strength ever demonstrated in history) not be willing to share with others even when someone else offers to cover the cost?

I am not posting this to ask you to do anything.  As I said, you have gotten some certifications and I accept that you've done what it takes to get them.  I wrote a grip profile of you.  Your feats are awesome.  And I am not envious that you can do more than me.  So can lots of folks.  But every single one of those other folks goes out and does it in front of people, like I do.  Until you do the same, people are going to look at you like Joe Kinney.  They are not really, deep in their hearts, going to believe that someone with such ability just doesn't feel like sharing it.  They could be wrong.  You don't owe it to them to go anywhere or share with them.  But they are exhibiting a normal human trait -- they KNOW what they would do in your situation, and indeed what most people would do, and you are not doing it.  It's a "red flag" as we say in English.  That isn't proof, but it is something people will see while it remains there.

I wish you luck either way.  And I love Italy (I even speak a little Italian).  If I can ever get out by where you are, and you want to grip together, it would be a pleasure.

Be well all.

Edited November 10, 2023 by Vinnie

[Lennix]

6 minutes ago, Vinnie said:

I "liked" both of the two previous posts, which are opposite in their message, because they perfectly illustrate that two respected grip board members can have a different view of Tiziano's feats.

I understand both these views.

Officially, I acknowledge Tiziano's feats because he has obtained certifications from respected sources and I will rely on those sources.

Personally, from the perspective of a fan of the sport and a person who has celebrated my own achievements, I want to see these feats done more publicly.  Sorry, Tiziano -- I officially believe you, but I can't for the life of me understand why someone who can do those things does not want to do it around others, like, all the time and with great fanfare.  In the process of obtaining what certifications I could for myself (not as high as yours but decent enough), I also went to as many competitions as I could, where I closed grippers in the range of my certs around friends and strangers.  I brought interesting grippers, like a low-rated 3.5, across the U.S. to a comp to let someone else try it, and he brought one to let me try it.  I drove 14 hours to a comp when I was kind of short on money, and I sold $400 worth of grip equipment to the promoter to cover the cost of my trip -- and I closed my PR gripper there, and won the comp, beating someone who was the favorite and closing the highest gripper of anyone there.  

I think what is bothering people is that they cannot understand why, if people like ME (with LESS impressive gripper ability than you) are so eager to get around and do this with others, why would YOU (with the most impressive grip strength ever demonstrated in history) not be willing to share with others even when someone else offers to cover the cost?

I am not posting this to ask you to do anything.  As I said, you have gotten some certifications and I accept that you've done what it takes to get them.  I wrote a grip profile of you.  Your feats are awesome.  And I am not envious that you can do more than me.  So can lots of folks.  But every single one of those other folks goes out and does it in front of people, like I do.  Until you do the same, people are going to look at you like Joe Kinney.  They are not really, deep in their hearts, going to believe that someone with such ability just doesn't feel like sharing it.  They could be wrong.  You don't owe it to them to go anywhere or share with them.  But they are exhibiting a normal human trait -- they KNOW what they would do in your situation, and indeed what most people would do, and you are not doing it.  It's a "red flag" as we say in English.  That isn't proof, but it is something people will see while it remains there.

I wish you luck either way.  And I love Italy (I even speak a little Italian).  If I can ever get out by where you are, and you want to grip together, it would be a pleasure.

Be well all.

Thread can be closed. Well said Vinnie. 

 

And to Tiz, I will be the first in line to congratulate you for your superhuman strength and as I said on instagram. You are always welcome to any of the gripnerds in Swedens gyms! 

[Jared P]

Good posts, all around. I think we can continue discussing without contention, so long as it doesn't take over too many threads too often.

All concerns and questions are understandable, as we could likely all agree upon, and now the ball is in Tiziano's court.

To relay some information as a mediator:

Tiziano has been recovering from an injury wherein grippers were extremely painful for a while, but he's started training again now. He personally doesn't care whether anyone believes him or not, that's just his personality. We'd all likely do it very differently in the same position, in an effort validate our strength and clear our name. However, after talking with him, he understands a little more why people are desiring a reliable witness for these monumental feats, and now plans to make amends on this front. Without giving away too much info, let's just say he has some plans in place to do so. His first invitation has been to Alawadhi, to come stay at his home in Italy. If Bader doesn't wish to travel to Italy for a quick vacation, Tiziano has other plans in place.

This is just a quick translation of the information given to me, and does not represent my personal opinion on the matter.

[Chez]

On 11/10/2023 at 6:25 AM, Ivan Pupchenko said:

Before your trip to Aaron, did someone call you a fraudster, despite your official  Coc-3.5 certification? I am not particularly interested in this certification and its history, so I do not know if you did it before or after. I know that you are very strong in closing grippers - and I don't need a timeline of your achievements in my head. It's just that if you see an analogy in your story and Tiziano's story, then there really isn't one. Some alternatively gifted people called him a fraudster despite his at least two certifications with grippers of known calibration - this is CoC-3.5 (the gripper was not calibrated, but Matt's statistics suggest its probable strength) and GMC grippers - calibrated in the RGC. Those who call him a fraudster will not change their minds and will not apologize to him, even if he closes something heavy in the presence of trusted judges. In the same way as now they do not provide any evidence of their accusations, and then they will say - "the judges must prove that they are not in collusion with Tiziano" or something else. It is obvious to me that it is primarily a matter in personal hostility based on envy, and only then in the need to prove something to someone.

This post is too long for me too care. The mm gripper cert is here, and witnesses are all over…..hell my dad owns a place in Italy. Now that Covid is over I can go there and ask him to meet me. Show up in person and get it done. Like I said I don’t believe in excuses 

Edited November 11, 2023 by Chez

[Chez]

It’s really simple, close big stuff in front of people…..

[Chez]

And guys I’m coming back so look out for my posts 

[Chez]

On 11/10/2023 at 6:25 AM, Ivan Pupchenko said:

Before your trip to Aaron, did someone call you a fraudster, despite your official  Coc-3.5 certification? I am not particularly interested in this certification and its history, so I do not know if you did it before or after. I know that you are very strong in closing grippers - and I don't need a timeline of your achievements in my head. It's just that if you see an analogy in your story and Tiziano's story, then there really isn't one. Some alternatively gifted people called him a fraudster despite his at least two certifications with grippers of known calibration - this is CoC-3.5 (the gripper was not calibrated, but Matt's statistics suggest its probable strength) and GMC grippers - calibrated in the RGC. Those who call him a fraudster will not change their minds and will not apologize to him, even if he closes something heavy in the presence of trusted judges. In the same way as now they do not provide any evidence of their accusations, and then they will say - "the judges must prove that they are not in collusion with Tiziano" or something else. It is obvious to me that it is primarily a matter in personal hostility based on envy, and only then in the need to prove something to someone.

No one called me a fraudster cause I closed big grippers in front of people. My very first completion was 2012 and with only a couple months train a came in second to Andrew Durian.  People were shocked and thought I was training for years and put me in the experienced class even though I told them I just started training. I lost to Andrew again next year at grip sport nationals in grippers and honestly I think that may be the last time I ever lost a gripper event…..I have closed huge grippers in front of many. I have no mystic. I show up and I close big grippers….

[Chez]

1 minute ago, Chez said:

No one called me a fraudster cause I closed big grippers in front of people. My very first completion was 2012 and with only a couple months train a came in second to Andrew Duriant. People were shocked and thought I was training for years and put me in the experienced class even though I told them I just started training. I lost to Andrew again next year at grip sport nationals in grippers and honestly I think that may be the last time I ever lost a gripper event in person. I have closed huge grippers in front of many. I have no mystic. I show up and I close big grippers…

 

[Chez]

I am also an extremely large man. Tizio is tiny and has no mass. It take a lot of power just to set a #4, no doubts me cause of my sIze. 

[Ivan Pupchenko]

12 hours ago, Chez said:

I am also an extremely large man. Tizio is tiny and has no mass. It take a lot of power just to set a #4, no doubts me cause of my sIze. 

Man, in order to close grippers or set them to close, anyone needed the force of contraction of muscle fibers multiplied by the number of muscle fibers that are activated by a nerve impulse (and, accordingly, the ability of the nervous system to generate an impulse of sufficient strength) + a large number of fibers in the tendons that actively carry the load, and do not "hang out" between the attachment points, so that nerve receptors reacting to the tension of the tendons do not send a signal to the brain to weaken muscle contraction. All this has nothing to do with the mythical "extreme size" on which many mas***bate. I am closer in weight to Tiziano - 100kg I pass only with obvious fat on my stomach. Having absolutely no goals in closing the grippers and performing training with them only as auxiliary exercises, I closed 3.5 by 12 micro-reps from the dipset and missed couple of millimeters with 4 ds. Therefore, I can believe that someone who has muscle mass about like mine (Tizziano is skinned - I'm rather moderately fattened and most of the weight difference is my fat) and who purposefully trains with grippers can show results greater than mine.

I can tell you the same thing as I said  for swede, who "performed in front of neanderthals in the light of fire in a cave", and Bader - if you have money and time? You think Tiziano must something to prove to you? Shut up, get on the plane and politely ask him to do it when you're at his house.

Your problem is that you are all very bold and harsh in words on the Internet. But when you need to do something or spend some money, your tongue is drawn in as deeply as the anatomy allows...

[Tiziano Becchio]

Hi guys, here I am again. Not with little effort, I want to leave a serious message that the most intelligent among you will surely understand. I can understand the skepticism despite the evidence provided in public and private, which among other things was there for all to see. But I believe what I have suffered is serious, I cannot and do not want to think that for something of such little importance in an absolute sense I have received reports to the point of having my Instagram profiles closed, that my YouTube profile has been hacked and all my my videos that even the answers to the security questions to enter the gripboard site have been changed, I have been cut off from social media and have received various insults and defamations from fake and non-fake profiles in addition to all the nonsense I have read over time on this site, I believe that this happened, in addition to being sad, it is potentially dangerous and I find it wrong that social media and the opportunity to express one's opinion is actually given to everyone. Some don't deserve it precisely because they cause more damage than anything else. Luckily, I don't care. a damn except a few with whom I have a good relationship of everything you think or are. If there is anyone among you who is responsible for all this, let him look in the mirror and understand how much he has failed as a human being. If no one among you has done this, you are still aware of what I have suffered and am undergoing, I hope to being able to return to full strength from injuries to continue practicing what I like and motivate people in this sport in a healthy way   good training everyone. 

 

Hi guys, here I am again. Not with little effort, I want to leave a serious message that the most intelligent among you will surely understand. I can understand the skepticism despite the evidence provided in public and private, which among other things was there for all to see. But I believe what I have suffered is serious, I cannot and do not want to think that for something of such little importance in an absolute sense I have received reports to the point of having my Instagram profiles closed, that my YouTube profile has been hacked and all my my videos that even the answers to the security questions to enter the gripboard site have been changed, I have been cut off from social media and have received various insults and defamations from fake and non-fake profiles in addition to all the nonsense I have read over time on this site, I believe that this happened, in addition to being sad, it is potentially dangerous and I find it wrong that social media and the opportunity to express one's opinion is actually given to everyone. Some don't deserve it precisely because they cause more damage than anything else. Luckily, I don't care. a damn except a few with whom I have a good relationship of everything you think or are. If there is anyone among you who is responsible for all this, let him look in the mirror and understand how much he has failed as a human being. If no one among you has done this, you are still aware of what I have suffered and am undergoing, I hope to being able to return to full strength from injuries to continue practicing what I like and motivate people in this sport in a healthy way good training everyone.

Edited November 17, 2023 by Cannon
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[Tiziano Becchio]

However, to clarify, if I recover from the finger injuries, I will not go to Bader with friends to do some tests and grip, powerlifting and stone,

BUT I remind all those who say that I have to do the performances with someone trustworthy that I have already done it, I have met with members of Grip and Bend Italia, Powerliffer, Strongman from my country,

And it's not good for you

However, this does not make these people less qualified than Bader etc

So with respect, you have no power to say what is right or not

It remains only your opinion

Who interacted with me

Carl, Nathan, Vano, Ironmind and other Italians experienced my tests first-hand

And I thank them for the support from day 1.

 

So here we are not continuing to chat with people at the bar

Studying my morphology anatomy etc

And trying to erase in even questionable ways everything I have done in this sport.

 

I hope to recover and do even more.

 

In any case, the respect of those who have seen or touched it is enough for me

 

I accept your opinion but I still consider it close to zero, but after all the efforts made to do everything you asked of me

And in return

Here it is months later

With insults, profiles reported and closed, and useless chatter.

 

Good day