simonevincenzi Posted January 16, 2003 Share Posted January 16, 2003 Hi guys I've read in the book MASTERY OF HAND STRENGTH that if you are able to pinch grip a pair of 45s you have a world class pinch grip. By now i can pinch grip easily a 45 plate and a 25 plate together and i'm close to do the same with a pair of 45s. Is this a real feat of grip strength or it is frequently obtained? I've bought my first coc 3 months ago and now i am 1 cm far from closing the #3. I'm waiting for my #4 to start the KTA program. I'm sure (quite sure) to close the #3 in pair of month following the KTA and join in this way the list of coc because i'm really motivated. Simone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mikael Siversson Posted January 16, 2003 Share Posted January 16, 2003 A true world class pinch grip can really only be demonstrated in competition against other top pinchers. This is mainly because the surface texture of plates varies too much. For example, if you enter a grip competition and pinches more (preferably on a couple of different widths, such as two and three inches) than, lets say Wade Gillingham, David Horne, Nick McKinless and the Holle brothers, then you would, without a doubt, have a world class pinch grip. If you can pinch two 45's then you may have a world class pinch grip, or you may not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mac Posted January 16, 2003 Share Posted January 16, 2003 (edited) Mikael, I would say that the conditions would have to be VERY favourable to make pinching 2x45's NOT a world-class pinch grip, but your point is very valid. I would also say if you could pinch more than those Gentlemen you would have not only a world-class pinch grip, but you would probably have the BEST pinch grip in the world... Edited January 16, 2003 by The Mac Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mikael Siversson Posted January 16, 2003 Share Posted January 16, 2003 Well I suppose it depends on how many guys can do a feat for it to be world class; half a dozen? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mikael Siversson Posted January 16, 2003 Share Posted January 16, 2003 I would guess that the number of people who can pinch two 45's is too large for it to be true world class in a strict sence. You can, however, fail on pinching two 45's and yet have world class overall grip/wrist strength. Overall grip strength, where no particular lift is being targeted, is probably the most underrated feat of strength on this board. Its so much harder to excell in a singel feat when you have to be good at a larger number of grip events at the same time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simonevincenzi Posted January 16, 2003 Author Share Posted January 16, 2003 How many guys can do a feat of strength depends on how many guys train for that. If every powerlifter trained with coc you would probably have 3000 certified coc. When you ask every powerlifter to pinch grip a pair of 45s you'll probably obtain no good results, so maybe it is not a world class feat of grip strength, but it is surely a treshold to demostrate excellent pinch grip strength. Simone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mikael Siversson Posted January 16, 2003 Share Posted January 16, 2003 Why did you ask a question to which you already had an answer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amaury Posted January 16, 2003 Share Posted January 16, 2003 Two different point of view: 1) You've done a world-class feat if this feat would stay world-class even if everybody in the world trained to achieve this particular feat and only a dozen people succeeded. Then Gary Frank probably doesn't perform world class feats in powerlifting. But you could pick out any other world champion in any other sport... 2) You've done a world-class feat if your feat is ranked among the top ten (or top 20 or top 50... ) of the feats performed by all those that actually train for it. Well, if you can pinch two 45's your very strong. If you can close a #3 gripper, you're very strong and so on... We would truly need a WGF... Just my own two cents though !! PS: If all the powerlifters trained to pinch 2 45's, you would certainly have more than 3000 certified Captains of Pinch... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simonevincenzi Posted January 16, 2003 Author Share Posted January 16, 2003 I've not an answer, i've only an idea about it. In Italy only few people practice on grip strength and so I'd want to know if my ideas are wrong by people who train grip strength Simone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldGuy Posted January 16, 2003 Share Posted January 16, 2003 I have no doubt that pinch gripping 2 x 45 lb Olympic plates is a world class feat. How many members of this board can do it? I also believe that plate curling a 45 is a world class feat. Both in my mind rank above closing a #3 gripper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mac Posted January 16, 2003 Share Posted January 16, 2003 Old Guy, I agree with you, to be honest. 2 x45lb plates, especially the thick old-style York plates, is a World Class feat that in my view is "better" than a #3 close. Always hard to compare and contrast these things, though. Mikael, You appear to be in somewhat of a surly mood this morning. If more than half a dozen people do something it is no longer world-class? I would suggest that far more than 6 people will run sub-10.10 sec 100m times this year - does that make sub-10.10 seconds no longer world class?? It's still elite sprinting. And as for asking a question and having an answer already, this is obviously more of a sounding-out/opinion thing, rather than something with a hard and fast answer that he wishes someone to tell him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mikael Siversson Posted January 16, 2003 Share Posted January 16, 2003 PS: If all the powerlifters trained to pinch 2 45's, you would certainly have more than 3000 certified Captains of Pinch... Why? Is there a straight forward correlation between the ability and will to compete in powerlifting and the ability to develop the strength in the thumb??? Are powerlifters a special subspecies of Homo sapiens??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mikael Siversson Posted January 16, 2003 Share Posted January 16, 2003 I have let quite a few powerlifters try my grippers and they were in no way stronger than the average gym guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tou Posted January 16, 2003 Share Posted January 16, 2003 I think you are world class if you respond to 1 of these 2 conditions 1. You can perform MANY "very tough" feats : COC #3, plate curl a 45, bend a 60d, pinch 2 45's, lift the Inch off the ground, and so on. Things like David Horne and John Brookfield can do. 2. You are in the top 5 in a particular feat : Kinney, Heath, Nathan Holle, David Horne and Richard Sorin are the top 5 grippers crushers. Mobsterone is the king fo RT and David Horne pinches more than anyone. This is world class. So, not many of us are world class athletes. On this board, I would pick these people : David Horne, Mobsterone, Richard Sorin, Chris James, Heath Sexton, Terminator, Nathan Holle and maybe one or two that I forget. My 2cents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldGuy Posted January 16, 2003 Share Posted January 16, 2003 Of course powerlifters are far stronger than the average gym guy, and that includes grip. How would they be able to hang onto their deadlifts otherwise? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mikael Siversson Posted January 16, 2003 Share Posted January 16, 2003 Of course powerlifters are far stronger than the average gym guy, and that includes grip. How would they be able to hang onto their deadlifts otherwise? No they are not. There is not much correlation between hanging on to a bar and the ability to close a gripper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mikael Siversson Posted January 16, 2003 Share Posted January 16, 2003 So, not many of us are world class athletes. On this board, I would pick these people : David Horne, Mobsterone, Richard Sorin, Chris James, Heath Sexton, Terminator, Nathan Holle and maybe one or two that I forget. My 2cents. I would add Jim Wylie to that list. He is considerably stronger overall than Mobsterone for example. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldGuy Posted January 16, 2003 Share Posted January 16, 2003 Powerlifters have a far stronger grip than the average gym guy. Grippers are very specific and require good technique. Being good at grippers does not mean you have a good grip in general. In fact grippers are squeezing. Hanging onto a heavy bar deadlifting is grip. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mikael Siversson Posted January 16, 2003 Share Posted January 16, 2003 In fact grippers are squeezing. Hanging onto a heavy bar deadlifting is grip. I suppose then Bill should rename this board to the SqueezeBoard as it is mostly about grippers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Piche Posted January 16, 2003 Share Posted January 16, 2003 Powerlifters have a far stronger grip than the average gym guy. Grippers are very specific and require good technique. Being good at grippers does not mean you have a good grip in general. In fact grippers are squeezing. Hanging onto a heavy bar deadlifting is grip. Ok smart ass, we were talking about grippers. So, sqeezing has nothing to do with grip. Ok, I would like readers of this forum to read the last few posts and decide what and what was not appropriate in this dialogue. I am curious as to what atmosphere you the readers think is appropriate. Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldGuy Posted January 16, 2003 Share Posted January 16, 2003 We were talking about grip not just grippers. Grippers are one samll aspect of grip strength. If you find a powerlifter who cannot close grippers is does not mean he does not have a strong grip. Powerlifters do have strong grips. In fact they are strong from head to toe which is something the grip specialist probably is not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mac Posted January 16, 2003 Share Posted January 16, 2003 I think before you post you should have to read a message that asks "Did you get out of bed the wrong side this morning?" It does not contribute to a good atmosphere when a question is asked and then the questioner has his head bitten off by the person who answers for having an opinion in the first place. It is one thing to answer a somewhat argumentative post with a counter-argument - it is another thing entirely to try to counter-argue with someone who is not even arguing in the first place. Just my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roark Posted January 16, 2003 Share Posted January 16, 2003 Semantics. If it involves strength of the hand in any of its various positions, it involves grip. If the movement can be performed by a handless person, it does not involve grip. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bseedot Posted January 16, 2003 Share Posted January 16, 2003 Mikael- Actually, you brought up grippers and powerlifters. The powerlifting comment originally began with powerlifters and pinching. Et al.- One of the great advantages of exchanging thoughts on internet boards is that no one is 'put on the spot'. Potential posters and responders are afforded all the time they need to provide an idea/argument/thought/etc. If we were all standing around talking to one another in person I could see how people would become defensive and perhaps say things that don't reflect the full thought process of their brain. People, take your time, string a few words together that form a coherent thought, and repeat as necessary. By the way, Joe, You're definition is great! Now, so this post isn't a total waste of bandwidth, I think that pinching 45's is world class. How many people can do it? Even on this board, where grip strength is revered how many can do it? That makes it world class in my mind. Keep at it Simone, you'll get it. BC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mikael Siversson Posted January 16, 2003 Share Posted January 16, 2003 Mikael-Actually, you brought up grippers and powerlifters. The powerlifting comment originally began with powerlifters and pinching. Really, "How many guys can do a feat of strength depends on how many guys train for that. If every powerlifter trained with coc you would probably have 3000 certified coc. When you ask every powerlifter to pinch grip a pair of 45s you'll probably obtain no good results, so maybe it is not a world class feat of grip strength, but it is surely a treshold to demostrate excellent pinch grip strength. Simone" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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