FrankyBoy Posted August 22, 2007 Share Posted August 22, 2007 2" vbar is better than 1" IMHO. Jim Wylie and Scott George tested my 2" vbar and were better than me, of course since they are stronger obviously, but the difference was in the 'expected' range (same is valid for the swiss). My left is naturally (due to an injury) weak compared to the right, which is nicely reflected on the 2" vbar, not on the 1" vbar. PS. I don't care the skin tears on the 1" vbar, I had a lot of them and was always the 'hero' showing them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuTCH Posted August 22, 2007 Share Posted August 22, 2007 I'll explain why I don't care much about the V-bar. Although i am naturally good at it somehow, preparing for a contest and getting high V-bar numbers takes me around 3 months. That means heavy ass lifts, and balls to the wall training. Me not likey that very much Skin tears i never had, that's just a handconditioning thing. If I would touch a v-bar now, i'd probably run like a pussy. Go rep a v-bar, and tears are unlikely to happen. (Franky being an exception here i think) I have no experience with the 2", I would like to try one though, see if i'm as good on it as on the 1".. Last time i touched a v-bar was at the Munsterland, and i'll probably not touch one sooner than next year or so since i'm taking some time off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilkaz Posted August 22, 2007 Share Posted August 22, 2007 My vote would be to have both events contested, but off course, not in the same contest. Some contests could use 2" V-bar and others 1" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RKlein Posted August 22, 2007 Share Posted August 22, 2007 "Ryan, you don't have to worry about me ever calling myself a man" Bob i already know that, you are a bench specialist! J/K Mac you rule! i'm glad at least one person agrees with me. i still respect everyone else's opinion's. Dave, any idea of where Champion of Champions will be at? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
climber511 Posted August 22, 2007 Share Posted August 22, 2007 Just something I was thinking about. My best ever v-bar was 331# (gym lift) – at that time my best regular DL was 385# (sad huh?) for about 86%. Now Ryan’s best DL (that I know of – he’s probably done more) is 755#. If we figure 86% of that, he needs to do a 649# v-bar to feel the same comparative stress on his back that I do. His 400# v-bar is about 53% of his DL. I know this doesn’t mean a thing of course but I found it interesting as to why the lift bothers my back and not his. I suppose I need to go train my DL now Now don't anyone read anything into this post - it's just my lack of anything meaningful to do today Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JS27 Posted August 22, 2007 Share Posted August 22, 2007 Your best deadlift isnt sad compared to mine. For a comparison 215 VBar (just a 24"by1" pipe, not FBBC or anything) 320DL=67% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madss Posted August 22, 2007 Share Posted August 22, 2007 thats ok guys my v-bar is better then my deadlift Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Horne Posted August 22, 2007 Share Posted August 22, 2007 Ryan, The Champion of Champions will be held in the Stafford area here in England. David Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
climber511 Posted August 22, 2007 Share Posted August 22, 2007 thats ok guys my v-bar is better then my deadlift Sorry to hear that - especially 3 days before we compete on it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hubgeezer Posted August 22, 2007 Share Posted August 22, 2007 thats ok guys my v-bar is better then my deadlift Now THAT is a Real Grip Man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twig Posted August 22, 2007 Share Posted August 22, 2007 thats ok guys my v-bar is better then my deadlift HOW??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RKlein Posted August 22, 2007 Share Posted August 22, 2007 one more question about it David. approximently when? hopefully in the summertime? i should be able to make it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matthcarl Posted August 22, 2007 Share Posted August 22, 2007 You guys give me hope for my vbar numbers. I can deadlift twice what I did on the vbar so far. If I can get to 86% I'd be way up there on the cert lists. I suspect, though, that as the weight progresses grip limitations become more of a factor, or a 900 lb. vbar lift would theoretically be possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Horne Posted August 22, 2007 Share Posted August 22, 2007 Ryan, All I know right now is that it will be in 2009. David Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stew2 Posted August 22, 2007 Share Posted August 22, 2007 I prefer 2" but don't really care which is used in a comp I think that both of them for training carry over some of coarse my Vbar numbers suck lately so what do I know.Use them both to keep more well rounded. A deadlifter doesn't only deadlift. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madss Posted August 23, 2007 Share Posted August 23, 2007 thats ok guys my v-bar is better then my deadlift HOW??? simply just weak chicken/ biking legs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madss Posted August 23, 2007 Share Posted August 23, 2007 So what are some of your best pulls on a 2"? maybe we can get a hand size comparison. I don't think it makes a great difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Beatty Posted August 23, 2007 Share Posted August 23, 2007 I haven't even tried the 2" yet. Yeah, and I own the company, every time I try to make one for me, I sell it before I get to use it. Have one I'm painting tomorrow for me (& the BBB). I like trying everything, so I'm sure I won't care one way or the other. I've torn callouses on 330 lb Farmers, 840 lb frame carry, a heavy hercules hold, and truck wheelbarrow. Had other events to do & always kept going. You suck it up at meets. Vbar certainly isn't my best event, but it's a challenge, so that makes it fun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anson Posted August 23, 2007 Share Posted August 23, 2007 I dislike the 1" Vbar and would not mind seeing it phased out of competitions, the last comp we put on we used a 2" Vbar. I'd rather see an axle lift in place of the 1" Vbar. For me Vbar lifting sucks to train and watch, who wants to watch an event where the ROM is 2 inches? When you start going heavy on the Vbar it's a lopsided lift to say the least, I believe it's more about leverage and body English that grip. Why in the hell are we loading our spines like this? The reason I don't often train this lift is because of how it feels, it doesn't feel right to me. Some things we've held onto because of tradition I suppose. Also think about what's interesting for the spectators, Vbar ain't it. There are so many other cool ways to test grip strength! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Lipinski Posted August 23, 2007 Author Share Posted August 23, 2007 With the vbar, you aren't supporting the bar mainly at the end of the fingers like in an axle. For the axle, the longer your hand is the more you can get under it which is a huge advantage. My best 1" in training is 285. Best 2" is 205. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimwylie1 Posted August 23, 2007 Share Posted August 23, 2007 Not sure what I lifted at Franky's but not that much more than you, Scott. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Too Tall Posted August 23, 2007 Share Posted August 23, 2007 If they told me at the next comp that there would be a 1" Vbar farmers carry event...I would train my ass off for it and try to win. I train for whatever it is no matter what...if they wanted to do a Vbar hold for time...I would train my ass off for it to win. To win you have to do whatever it takes...even if you do not like the event...and even if there is a possibility that you might get hurt. I train Vbar as hard as I do for every event...and yeah I tear skin sometimes...but I am back out there the next day. Bottom line...is that I am here to play ball no matter what the events are...just tell me what to train for...so I can get ready. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
climber511 Posted August 23, 2007 Share Posted August 23, 2007 If they told me at the next comp that there would be a 1" Vbar farmers carry event...I would train my ass off for it and try to win. I train for whatever it is no matter what...if they wanted to do a Vbar hold for time...I would train my ass off for it to win. To win you have to do whatever it takes...even if you do not like the event...and even if there is a possibility that you might get hurt. I train Vbar as hard as I do for every event...and yeah I tear skin sometimes...but I am back out there the next day. Bottom line...is that I am here to play ball no matter what the events are...just tell me what to train for...so I can get ready. Chad - you actually train for this stuff - do you think that's fair to the rest of us lazy bums Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilkaz Posted August 23, 2007 Share Posted August 23, 2007 If they told me at the next comp that there would be a 1" Vbar farmers carry event...I would train my ass off for it and try to win. I train for whatever it is no matter what...if they wanted to do a Vbar hold for time...I would train my ass off for it to win. To win you have to do whatever it takes...even if you do not like the event...and even if there is a possibility that you might get hurt. I train Vbar as hard as I do for every event...and yeah I tear skin sometimes...but I am back out there the next day. Bottom line...is that I am here to play ball no matter what the events are...just tell me what to train for...so I can get ready. Folks...this is the attitude of a champion you rock, Chad !! .. neilkaz .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Posted August 23, 2007 Share Posted August 23, 2007 So what are some of your best pulls on a 2"? maybe we can get a hand size comparison. I don't think it makes a great difference. My best 2'' vbar is around 280. Best 1'' is 325 I think. Hands are 7 and 7/8th. Hand size is not that big a factor on 2'' vbar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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