strongmitts Posted May 20, 2004 Share Posted May 20, 2004 How is Eric's style any different from Pat's? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricMilfeld Posted May 20, 2004 Author Share Posted May 20, 2004 (edited) How is Eric's style any different from Pat's? Pat places three, as opposed to my two, fingers on on the bar. http://www.dieselcrew.com/Gallery/hofii/sl...hletic.com.html Edited May 20, 2004 by EricMilfeld Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terminator Posted May 20, 2004 Share Posted May 20, 2004 Why was I brought into this thread? I see a bunch of bitching about a rule that supposedly now doesn't make a difference.....so why does the bitching continue? Beats the heck out of me. As far as I'm concerned, as long as the wrapping material is used for padding and not as an extended lever for pulling on the ends of the nail it doesn't matter. The rule was designed to minimize or eliminate the chance of cheating in this manner. Don't purport to know everything about how I bend based on a video capture of one bend......BTW....with a shitload of weight hanging from the back of my head, in a public forum, after a bunch of other crap.....and don't start a war you can't possibly win. I am bending Reds, very short cut reds, and much harder stuff in so many ways you never imagined..... If you are now able to bend as well (which remains to be seen) with the new style that's marvelous....enough complaining already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3Crusher Posted May 20, 2004 Share Posted May 20, 2004 Not to take sides on this, but for those who are non-believers, the AOBS dinner is open to anybody to attend to watch Pat in action. Diesel Boys-any comments? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Walker Posted May 20, 2004 Share Posted May 20, 2004 Diesel Boys-any comments Not sure what you are looking for here Steve? I hope it isnt an attack on me, or Smitty and Jedd. We have never had a harsh word to say about Pat, and I am sure he can testify to that. As far as Pat's bending goes, I have seen it first hand. He is quick, precise, and deadly. Even while holding smooth granite stones or hanging 100s of pounds off of his head, he destroys anything he can get his hands on. Pat, in my book, is by far the best bender on the planet-period. I would love to go to the AOBS, it just inst in the cards. Being unemployed right now, and living off my wife's income, we are unable to afford the trip, hotel expenses, food, etc. We are saving for a week in June to go to MD...if I told her we are going to the dinner, it would put a wrench in the other trip-and I would be casterated...believe it. But, anyone who can get to the dinner I advise you to do so. Pat is a work of art when he bends, and you dont want to miss it up close and personal. Videos do no justice... Rick Walker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3Crusher Posted May 20, 2004 Share Posted May 20, 2004 Not sure what you are looking for here Steve? I hope it isnt an attack on me, or Smitty and Jedd. We have never had a harsh word to say about Pat, and I am sure he can testify to that. Rick, Not an attack at all. Knowing that all you guys saw Pat in action, I was just soliciting some feedback on what you have personally witnessed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strongmitts Posted May 20, 2004 Share Posted May 20, 2004 Pat, my response was to Mikael, as he seems to think your method of bending is a much purer form as compared to Eric's. I see no difference in technique. Mikael is the one that seems to bring up your name in these threads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikael Siversson Posted May 20, 2004 Share Posted May 20, 2004 Strongmitts, I was referring to Pat's initial concerns about Eric's bending style, which he posted in an earlier thread (thus being common knowledge). My second concern regarding pushing the thumbs more-or-less straight into the ends of a largely un-bent bar is my personal view. I speak for myself on that one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Lipinski Posted May 20, 2004 Share Posted May 20, 2004 I say bend anyway you want. Bending is still young enough that it is anyone's guess what the final standard will be. If you think the other person's style is making it way too easy, whip their ass at their own game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Ostlund Posted May 20, 2004 Share Posted May 20, 2004 Well said Bob. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldGuy Posted May 20, 2004 Share Posted May 20, 2004 I agree Bob, no need to write a scientific paper on something so crude as bending nails. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clay Edgin Posted May 20, 2004 Share Posted May 20, 2004 Dang it Bob, there's no place in an argument like this for rational thought! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMunger Posted May 20, 2004 Share Posted May 20, 2004 As long as the hands are the only contact points on the nail, I see no issues. I mean if doing it a certain way is actually superior and makes the bend easier, it seems to me that would be the best way to bend it. I mean hell, if we're concerned about it being too easy, lets start requiring one hand bends. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonV Posted May 20, 2004 Share Posted May 20, 2004 CMunger Posted on May 20 2004, 12:45 PM .... I mean hell, if we're concerned about it being too easy, lets start requiring one hand bends. I know where I would like some people to stick the other end.... Oh wait, would that be considered bracing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldGuy Posted May 20, 2004 Share Posted May 20, 2004 Is it possible to not bend the rules? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nils Posted May 20, 2004 Share Posted May 20, 2004 As long as the hands are the only contact points on the nail, I see no issues. I mean if doing it a certain way is actually superior and makes the bend easier, it seems to me that would be the best way to bend it. I mean hell, if we're concerned about it being too easy, lets start requiring one hand bends. True, if only the hands contacted the nail there would be no rule hassles. Unfortunatly only Brookfield seem to get any enjoyment from bending with nothing between the hands and nail so that is just too harsh. But it is the pure hardcore bend which is easy to show anywhere! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Vigeant Posted May 25, 2004 Share Posted May 25, 2004 I say bend anyway you want. Bending is still young enough that it is anyone's guess what the final standard will be. If you think the other person's style is making it way too easy, whip their ass at their own game. OH man! do i agree. I want to see PR bends from benders that use 2 rags but only using 1 rag,and we already saw what happens when single rag benders use 2 rags. I think the biggest problem changing is that its just a different technique to get used to. Its the same as JB complaining about the way Nathan and Pat bends If the way they bend is so easy then he should prove it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
climber511 Posted May 28, 2004 Share Posted May 28, 2004 My only question is for terminator - what exactly were you thinking the first time you combined the monster head strap with the bending - cut reds weren't enough? Pretty cool trick! By way guys, I've tried every style except putting them in a vise with a cheater pipe over the end and I can't even kink a red, so argueing about rags and pads and two verus one is all up to you fellows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikael Siversson Posted June 26, 2004 Share Posted June 26, 2004 I say bend anyway you want. Bending is still young enough that it is anyone's guess what the final standard will be. If you think the other person's style is making it way too easy, whip their ass at their own game. I accept the challenge and will start a new thread on my progress on nail folding. Last workout I tried a 1/4'' stock (equivalent to IM's yellow/blue stock) at 5 1/2'' and bent it (or rather folded it) with ease. The introduction and subsequent spread of the folding technique will (probably) result in a change of the official IM rules as the number of red nail benders (folders) will increase rapidly, diluting the significance of a red nail write up in Milo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Piche Posted June 26, 2004 Share Posted June 26, 2004 I say bend anyway you want. Bending is still young enough that it is anyone's guess what the final standard will be. If you think the other person's style is making it way too easy, whip their ass at their own game. I accept the challenge and will start a new thread on my progress on nail folding. Last workout I tried a 1/4'' stock (equivalent to IM's yellow/blue stock) at 5 1/2'' and bent it (or rather folded it) with ease. The introduction and subsequent spread of the folding technique will (probably) result in a change of the official IM rules as the number of red nail benders (folders) will increase rapidly, diluting the significance of a red nail write up in Milo. I am a bending illiterate. Educate me on the difference between a nail "fold" and a nail "bend". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikael Siversson Posted June 26, 2004 Share Posted June 26, 2004 When you fold a nail you apply lots of compressional force rather than relying on the fulcrums formed by the index fingers. The difference is very dramatic. When I use the folding technique, the battle is over as soon as there is even the slightest bend. From there on the nail is folded with accelerating speed. Bending a nail is a much slower process as the wrists are not fixed but move out of an ideal position following the nail so to speak. Watch the speed by with Eric folded a 280k challenge bar on one of his video clips. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Piche Posted June 26, 2004 Share Posted June 26, 2004 When you fold a nail you apply lots of compressional force rather than relying on the fulcrums formed by the index fingers. The difference is very dramatic. When I use the folding technique, the battle is over as soon as there is even the slightest bend. From there on the nail is folded with accelerating speed. Bending a nail is a much slower process as the wrists are not fixed but move out of an ideal position following the nail so to speak. Watch the speed by with Eric folded a 280k challenge bar on one of his video clips. So does everyone fold on the GripBoard? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricMilfeld Posted June 26, 2004 Author Share Posted June 26, 2004 The abundance of misinformation is such that even this response is unwarranted. The horse is not only dead, it's fossilized. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldGuy Posted June 26, 2004 Share Posted June 26, 2004 Everyone folds, and an equal amount bend. When push comes to shove. It has been reported that some people are ripping decks of cards and not tearing them. The matter is being looked into. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amaury Posted June 26, 2004 Share Posted June 26, 2004 We are all nail folders lol I see what you mean by applying lateral pressure during the initial kink Mikael, and of course with this side pressure it requires less "hand torque" to perform the bend and thus less hand strength. But the real question is : does EVERYBODY can bend harder nails with this technique ? If the answer is yes i will be glad to use this technique from now on... Soooooo... For the moment i use the old Terminator style, so do i bend or fold ? Since I know i can apply triceps strength and a a little back strength on the end of the nail during that first stage i must be folding the nail right ? But wait a minute ! I use a single IM rag so i must also be pulling on the end of the rag somewhere during the process. So am i pulling a nail fold or pulling a nail bend ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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