EricMilfeld Posted April 7, 2013 Share Posted April 7, 2013 This will be a log of not only grip and exercise in general, but of diet and weight loss. I've intended to compete at 183 pounds, but am toying with the idea of doing the 163 class. Just now: 5k run in 26:34 40 Marine Corps style pushups (in honor of my son the Marine) body weight: 190.6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikael Siversson Posted April 7, 2013 Share Posted April 7, 2013 I am a bit ahead of you in the race towards the 163 class. This morning I was 175.7 (and still chubby) so 12.6 to go. Would be interesting to see how much strength you would loose (compared at 183) if you managed to hit 163. I hope to loose none but that is probably wishful thinking even though I would still not be super ripped at 163. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Electron Posted April 7, 2013 Share Posted April 7, 2013 Eric, you've aleady lost 14lbs from the time of the contest! Good job man, that's fast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mightyjoe Posted April 7, 2013 Share Posted April 7, 2013 It's been my experience in training others over the years that weight loss to strength loss ratios seem to be somewhat proportional to the amount of time one loses goal weight. The faster one loses the weight the more strength they seem to lose with it. When the weight loss is slower there seems to be less strength loss and at times when planned out properly and all factors considered there can be no significant strength loss or none at all. Eric, you should consider a monthly power/strength to weight ratio test to evaluate your strength loss/gains. Would be challenging to design one for grip but it will allow you to record and evaluate your gains/losses in accordance with your weight. Let's say (for the sake of argument) that your 2 hand euro 1RM is 200 lbs. and you weigh 200 lbs. If you go on to lose 10 pounds and your 2 hand euro is still at 200 lbs. your power to weight ratio has improved and there's a strength gain but your 1RM has not changed. Conversely, if your #'s go down at the same #10 weight loss then you would show a slight strength/power loss. One of my main rules I follow in training myself and others is I always seek ways to quantify what I'm doing. Good luck with your goals Eric!!! With your mindset and determination I only envision success in whatever you set out to do! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricMilfeld Posted April 7, 2013 Author Share Posted April 7, 2013 Mikael, I blame you for this crazy idea of maybe going 163. Joe's right that it would make mores sense to lose the weight gradually. I'll test my weight loss ability for a couple of weeks and decide from there. And, yes, you're a tiny bit ahead of me in the weight loss. Lol. Last time I weighed 165 I was twenty years old, and like you, I was still not super cut. My hope is I would lose no more than 5% grip strength compared to my lifts at my current body weight. Other lifts would plummet. Yori, I've actually lost eight pounds since the contest. But thanks for believing in me! Lol. My contest weigh-in was with clothing and a full stomach. Joe, so far so good. Eight pounds lost with no ill effects, except for feeling healthier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedd Johnson Posted April 7, 2013 Share Posted April 7, 2013 I don't think you will lose ANYTHING gripwise by losing weight, unless you crash dieted to lose 20 lbs in a couple weeks, brother. Grip is more CNS than muscle storage and all that stuff. You might feel a bit weaker on the deadlift, but I think most of the stuff will retain well, especially if you include CNS stimulating training over the period. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricMilfeld Posted April 7, 2013 Author Share Posted April 7, 2013 I don't think you will lose ANYTHING gripwise by losing weight, unless you crash dieted to lose 20 lbs in a couple weeks, brother. Grip is more CNS than muscle storage and all that stuff. You might feel a bit weaker on the deadlift, but I think most of the stuff will retain well, especially if you include CNS stimulating training over the period. I agree, for the most part. I'm thinking at some point you will start losing forearm muscle after the fat is gone and the big muscle groups start diminishing. I don't think I'll lose anything making 183, but 163, even if I took 6 months to do it, could be very different. Should be an interesting case study. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricMilfeld Posted April 7, 2013 Author Share Posted April 7, 2013 Deadlifts 452x5 Blob 50 Right x4 Left x2 Right x3 Left x1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daniel reinard Posted April 8, 2013 Share Posted April 8, 2013 I don't think you will lose ANYTHING gripwise by losing weight, unless you crash dieted to lose 20 lbs in a couple weeks, brother. Grip is more CNS than muscle storage and all that stuff. You might feel a bit weaker on the deadlift, but I think most of the stuff will retain well, especially if you include CNS stimulating training over the period. I agree, for the most part. I'm thinking at some point you will start losing forearm muscle after the fat is gone and the big muscle groups start diminishing. I don't think I'll lose anything making 183, but 163, even if I took 6 months to do it, could be very different. Should be an interesting case study. Looking forward to reading your log Eric. I agree with what you guys said above. I've lost 15# in the last 2-3 weeks and haven't lost strength in grip. Keep hitting it hard and I'll bet the strength difference is negligable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricMilfeld Posted April 8, 2013 Author Share Posted April 8, 2013 Wow, Daniel, 15 pounds is a big chunk of weight. I'm pleased to hear you're retaining your grip power, though. Very interesting. I think what I'll do is stick with my plan of competing at 183 at Nationals, and then begin my little experiment of dieting down to 163. Today's Diet (evenly spread throughout the day): banana scoop of protein powder w/ water two carrots scoop of mixed nuts granny smith apple 6oz. V-8 juice 6 oz. fat-free greek yogurt plate of white turkey meat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
climber511 Posted April 8, 2013 Share Posted April 8, 2013 Wow, Daniel, 15 pounds is a big chunk of weight. I'm pleased to hear you're retaining your grip power, though. Very interesting. I think what I'll do is stick with my plan of competing at 183 at Nationals, and then begin my little experiment of dieting down to 163. Today's Diet (evenly spread throughout the day): banana scoop of protein powder w/ water two carrots scoop of mixed nuts granny smith apple 6oz. V-8 juice 6 oz. fat-free greek yogurt plate of white turkey meat That sounds like a nice breakfast. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikael Siversson Posted April 8, 2013 Share Posted April 8, 2013 (edited) If you compared the top ten in any of the weightclasses below the 120k class we would, collectively, look fat, almost obese compared with elite olympic lifting guys or wrestlers etc. The sport is so young so people can still place well within a given weightclass without getting lean. It is therefore somewhat misleading implying that grip strength is not correlated with bodyweight. If you bulk up quickly like Daniel and then lose that fat you are not going to see much difference in grip strength. Guys like Kody has shown us what it will take in the future to rank in the elite within a given weightclass, tall and lean with muscle mass only where it is needed for grip. Edited April 8, 2013 by Mikael Siversson 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricMilfeld Posted April 8, 2013 Author Share Posted April 8, 2013 Body weight: 189.2 Wow, Daniel, 15 pounds is a big chunk of weight. I'm pleased to hear you're retaining your grip power, though. Very interesting. I think what I'll do is stick with my plan of competing at 183 at Nationals, and then begin my little experiment of dieting down to 163. Today's Diet (evenly spread throughout the day): banana scoop of protein powder w/ water two carrots scoop of mixed nuts granny smith apple 6oz. V-8 juice 6 oz. fat-free greek yogurt plate of white turkey meat That sounds like a nice breakfast. Too funny, Chris! Back when I was powerlifting at 220 that could have been my breakfast. If you compared the top ten in any of the weightclasses below the 120k class we would, collectively, look fat, almost obese compared with elite olympic lifting guys or wrestlers etc. The sport is so young so people can still place well within a given weightclass without getting lean. It is therefore somewhat misleading implying that grip strength is not correlated with bodyweight. If you bulk up quickly like Daniel and then lose that fat you are not going to see much difference in grip strength. Guys like Kody has shown us what it will take in the future to rank in the elite within a given weightclass, tall and lean with muscle mass only where it is needed for grip. Yes, should grip as a sport continue to grow this will probably be the inevitable outcome. But I don't think it would be the ideal for guys to train grip exclusively. I believe something like any sort of deadlift or farmers would be very beneficial. It can be done without gaining a bunch of "unnecessary" body weight. My theory is: more testosterone production, improved CNS firing in general, and would serve to make grip events feel lighter. Maybe this is part of "muscle mass only where it is needed for grip"... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricMilfeld Posted April 9, 2013 Author Share Posted April 9, 2013 Bodyweight: 187.6 Yesterday's Menu: scoop of protein powder 12oz. V-8 juice 3 tiny oranges granny smith apple scoop of mixed nuts banana carrot 2 peanut butter Cliff Bars plate of white turkey meat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterSweden Posted April 9, 2013 Share Posted April 9, 2013 Im 214lbs not very lean but not a blob of disgusting lard nether If I ate that little in a day, I'd have low blood sugar and be in a f'ed up mood all day long GL HF in your quest to make weight and in the comp! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricMilfeld Posted April 9, 2013 Author Share Posted April 9, 2013 Im 214lbs not very lean but not a blob of disgusting lard nether If I ate that little in a day, I'd have low blood sugar and be in a f'ed up mood all day long GL HF in your quest to make weight and in the comp! Lol! I actually got dizzy yesterday at work... and maybe a little bitchy, too. Hey, but the pounds are shedding. And thank you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricMilfeld Posted April 10, 2013 Author Share Posted April 10, 2013 Today's Menu (not much different from the preceding days): 2 scoops of protein powder w/ water banana granny smith apple 6 oz. V-8 juice scoop of mixed nuts 2 tiny oranges oatmeal, raisin, walnut Cliff Bar 6 oz. Greek fat-free yogurt can of garbanzo beans Was gonna run tonight, but legs are still sore from the other day. This is the first I've done any real running in a long time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricMilfeld Posted April 10, 2013 Author Share Posted April 10, 2013 Body weight: 186.6 Before bed this morning: 50 push ups 100 Hindu squats Just now: 6 minutes of alternating jump rope with jumping jacks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricMilfeld Posted April 11, 2013 Author Share Posted April 11, 2013 -ran a 5k in 26:04 coffe mug of Uncle Sam cereal w/ soy milk scoop of protein powder peanut butter Cliff Bar granny smith apple carrot two tiny oranges sugar-free Red Bull 3oz. of peanuts 4oz. of cod scoop of protein powder handful of blackberries and strawberries two tiny oranges Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricMilfeld Posted April 11, 2013 Author Share Posted April 11, 2013 Bodyweight: 185.8 WEIGHTED PULL-UPS 75x2 75x2 EURO PINCH 214.7 x1 217.2 x1 217.2 x1 204.5 x3 AXLE 340.4 x1 313.4 x6 WRIST ROLLER 175x1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricMilfeld Posted April 12, 2013 Author Share Posted April 12, 2013 1660 calories yesterday: 2 scoops protein powder small bowl Uncle Sam cereal w/ soy milk carrot banana granny smith apple peanut butter Cliff Bar raisin oatmeal Cliff Bar 1.5oz peanuts 6oz V-8 juice sugar-free Red Bull three pretzel crackers w/ salsa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IROC-Z Posted April 12, 2013 Share Posted April 12, 2013 Eric, I noticed you've included V8 in your diet on most days. Just wondering if you're taking it to get in some extra veggies, or if it's something you've always included? For the past couple years I've been taking six ounces of V8 along with a protein shake in the morning and then I take another six ounces pre-workout in the afternoon. Would love to hear your opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricMilfeld Posted April 12, 2013 Author Share Posted April 12, 2013 Eric, I noticed you've included V8 in your diet on most days. Just wondering if you're taking it to get in some extra veggies, or if it's something you've always included? For the past couple years I've been taking six ounces of V8 along with a protein shake in the morning and then I take another six ounces pre-workout in the afternoon. Would love to hear your opinion. I actually just like the taste of V-8. Lol. But, yeah, I drink it also for the veggies, which I don't get enough of. I need to change that, because I love veggies. It's just not always practical. I've always liked V-8, but have only recently tried to make a point of drinking it on a regular basis. The fact that it has no sugar is a big plus, too. Bodyweight: 185.6 (didn't lose enough for my liking today) I cheated after recording my menu early this morning by eating some blackberries and a carrot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daniel reinard Posted April 12, 2013 Share Posted April 12, 2013 I actually just like the taste of V-8. I just threw up in my mouth a little. Lol. J/k. My kid likes it too. I'll buy it if she likes it but I won't go near it. Kudos you two have the taste for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shoggoth Posted April 12, 2013 Share Posted April 12, 2013 I actually just like the taste of V-8. I just threw up in my mouth a little. Lol. J/k. My kid likes it too. I'll buy it if she likes it but I won't go near it. Kudos you two have the taste for it. V8, tomato juice, Clamato, it's all tasty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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