KJM Posted December 18, 2002 Share Posted December 18, 2002 You're a sick man Tom Black. I was in Sam's Club on Saturday with my son and walked through the tool section. They had a boxed crescent wrench set on sale. I looked at it and chuckled out loud while thinking of you ruining Sam's inventory. My son gave me a strange look and asked what was so funny about a wrench. BOINGY was definitely not the description that came to mind. More like SILENCE, as the wrench just sat there daring me to try and bend it. I think I'm spending more time looking at these emoticons then drafting my posts. Not good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Piche Posted December 18, 2002 Author Share Posted December 18, 2002 The steel looks softer than normal. Sounds weird, I know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaster Posted December 18, 2002 Share Posted December 18, 2002 Where do you guys live? I'm in a NW suburb of Chicago and I have a full set of Ironmind grippers. I got them a while ago and they all came in the older gray packaging. From the #1 to the #4 they are all double stamped. I can only close a #1 myself so I'm not a good judge of grippers, but if anyone wants to try mine out they would be welcome to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSW Posted December 18, 2002 Share Posted December 18, 2002 Wannagrip, I don't suppose you could compare it on the bathroom scale to your other grippers? Robert Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnimalCage Posted December 18, 2002 Share Posted December 18, 2002 Gaster, Can you make the Snowman Challenge? There should be enough gripsters there to give you a fair indication. I will be bringing my 5. Alan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apdwler Posted December 18, 2002 Share Posted December 18, 2002 Oh yeah, I get a 10% cut on all #3 grippers ordered today from Strossen. LOL I wonder how many gripper have been sold, over the years, due to rumors of a weak or strong batch! Forgive me if I'm wrong, but don't you generally have to close the gripper provided by the certification person? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSW Posted December 18, 2002 Share Posted December 18, 2002 Nope, the certifier is just a witness. Thus the debate about Kinney's #4 etc. Robert Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bseedot Posted December 18, 2002 Share Posted December 18, 2002 What heat? If you close a 3 you close a 3. The fact thatthey vary more often than the direction Vanna White is walking does not matter one whip. If closing the easiest 3 is cheating, then everyone should be required to close the hardest 3. A 3 is a 3, you see, you see, and a COC you'll be if you close a 3! Hi Joe. I agree with you completely, so if I can find a weaker #3 I'm fine with that. I just have a hunch that some out there will think me a pansy-ass for trying to find an 'easy' way out, inserting testosterone and ego into their stance, but I'm not concerned with that in this situation. A #3 is definitely a #3 and none are easy to close. At any rate, I'm available for a good ribbing anytime... Have you thought of writing your own version of Dr. Seuss books? BC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roark Posted December 18, 2002 Share Posted December 18, 2002 No books, but we had a chain of raw fish restauants at one point called Suess E. Children hated the food, but The Cat in the Hat loved the leftovers. If a 45 pound plate varies plus or minus 4 pounds, then a range of 41 to 49 lbs an be expected. In a plate curl, that would make an enormous difference, but, hey, if the marking says 45 pounds then I guess it must be 45 pounds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sybersnott Posted December 18, 2002 Share Posted December 18, 2002 When we talk about IM grippers, especially the IM #3... we haffta realize that we know much more about the grippers than the average buyer from IronMind. Wanna is talking about grippers, and he's had YEARS of experience with them (and so have most people on this forum, including me). The newbie getting the IM #3 or if he is getting the set of grippers from IronMind doesn't know this. They just think that they are TOUGH grippers. I do agree with Wanna in the fact that as the years progress, the grippers get weaker. There should be some sort of quality control over at IronMind regarding the strength of the grippers; I don't see it happening soon if not at all. End result: more COC certifications than would normally happen. My "two virgins" thread proved that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Piche Posted December 19, 2002 Author Share Posted December 19, 2002 This 3 definitely has a softer spring. It's much blacker in color. I compared it to other grippers tonight. It's going to be really easy I think after seasoning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roark Posted December 19, 2002 Share Posted December 19, 2002 Wannagrip, Are you indicating that it may be very close to a strong #2? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Piche Posted December 19, 2002 Author Share Posted December 19, 2002 Wannagrip,Are you indicating that it may be very close to a strong #2? Could be. Could be. We shall see after about 100 closes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom of Iowa2 Posted December 19, 2002 Share Posted December 19, 2002 Joe, I realize it's not your point but if you by the 'standard'inexpensive(pig iron from china? ))lympic plates there IS a huge difference in the weight of plates. Usually they are heavy though but i think we have a few around 43 and 44....most are 46.5 to 48.5.We have a couple over 49 and one about 51 and there is one that is unmarked(not ever weighed on a certified scale)that feels heavier.You load that one on your enemy....when he's doing a set of close grip benches. Whoops......I think you'r losing strength in that arm? With 80 plus 45's laying around the average is about 46.5 or 46.75? Our 100's are over 103...one is 106.5. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roark Posted December 19, 2002 Share Posted December 19, 2002 Actually, Tom, that was part of my point. It has been discussed that plates vary, and that we have the means to bypass the relief number-45 pounder or whatever-to pinpoint exact weight. So far we have not come up with a similar scale for grippers, but just as an experienced weight trainer can tell if a plate feels heavy or like, so it is obvious if a gripper feels easier. Let's imagine 20 #3 grippers are lined up and that a dozen men spend enough time to determine which gripper is the easiest to close and which is the hardest. Both are #3's, so in fact it should not make any difference if I choose the easy gripper and you the hardest, and we go for reps, because we are both using #3s, but in ice water reality, the only fair test would for both of us to use the same gripper whether easiest or hardest. But in fact those '20' grippers are spread all over the place and are not available to test even if we had the mechanics, so when one guy gets 10 reps with his 3 and another guy gets only 3 reps, it could in fact be that the man who got only 3 reps is in fact stronger, and maybe could get 11 reps with the other 3. I don't know. Nobody knows, and therein lies the dilemma. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom of Iowa2 Posted December 19, 2002 Share Posted December 19, 2002 Yeah it sounds like a mess.I'm not into the grippers.... yet..sort of prefer grip stuff that you lift 'stuff'but i'm sure the gripper fever WILL hit us eventually.....and when it does probably just as excited as the next guy..and just as bewildered Perhaps when we hear of a relative unknown hits 5 or 10 reps with a number 3?... it happened?Not taking any side on this but the nature of the grippers themselves makes things difficult to document.Then i'm learning terms like shaved handles,seasoned,boingy ,spring placement,...smooth handles,knurled handles,thinner handle,wider handles,harder steel.......etc.,etc. Picking up a dumbell or a stack of weights is easier to document... Back to our overweight 45's and 100's..it can really make a difference if you piled 5 or 6 or 7 plates- a side -and they are ALL overweight.(can make a 20 to 40lb gross weight difference)and heaven forbid if you have the 49 , 51 and the unmarked 51 on the same side... sometimes happens to others when I'm loading the bar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Harlan Jacobs Posted December 19, 2002 Share Posted December 19, 2002 Very good point Tom. Weight is weight period. But grippers are still a great training tool. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom of Iowa2 Posted December 19, 2002 Share Posted December 19, 2002 oh yeah..they are cool..just saving them for a rainy day. I closed a guys number 2 a few times.There is a trainer at the gym...that the owner (a girl)can close ...But we'll get into them I'm sure someday. The weird thing is-as an outsider looking in-Grippers seem to have more variables and inconsistancies NOW then they used to.....seems like as time goes on-progress-technology-knowledge- and all that ...it should be easier to have consistancy than it used to be? Maybe we'll just wait? til they make a REAL easy no.4 with boingy metal,easier spring placement,thicker knurled handles,that are closer together... Just kidding. The marketing trick would BE to make the 4 EZier..so you could then market a number 5 Then your sales would really go up... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apdwler Posted December 19, 2002 Share Posted December 19, 2002 Wannagrip Maybe you should put that gripper on ebay! Let everyone here know. Spread the word on a few other forums. You could make a lot of money! P.S. Before you think I'm looking to bid, I couldn't afford the postage! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apdwler Posted December 19, 2002 Share Posted December 19, 2002 but, hey, if themarking says 45 pounds then I guess it must be 45 pounds What about those special aluminum plates that way only a pound or two but are marked 45? Do they count as 45? I'm getting stronger just thinking about it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Petschler Posted December 20, 2002 Share Posted December 20, 2002 (edited) I have closed Mikael Siverssons no3 several times and Arne Perssons, and my own,right hand but only a PDA 359 with my left hand ,but on our gym they have a no2 who is wery hard ask Arne about it like a PDA359 (allmost). I have sent my certifikation papers to Dr Strossen so i hope to get my name on the list soon.And be a real man.... Best regards Håkan Petschler sweden strongest man finalist. Edited December 20, 2002 by Petschler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest mg6680 Posted December 20, 2002 Share Posted December 20, 2002 Nice job and welcome to the board Hakan. Please post some of your workouts from time to time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Youngguy Posted December 20, 2002 Share Posted December 20, 2002 Hi I was just reading the entire discussion and wanted to give my perspective on the matter. First, I thought that the double stamped grippers were allot harder than the single stamped grippers. Second, I don’t think it should matter much if there happen to be a #3 out there that was easy as a #1. Reason: I am satisfied with my accomplishment of my #3, and not because it is a 3. Meaning my #3 gave me one of the greatest challenge of accomplishments in my life. Grippers are nearly a tool for building crushing grip. That is why Brookfield seldomly uses them, because he has better ways of doing so. That is my view in that argument, but it does short change people who get a weaker gripper to work with. Which would limit them, and just crater the gaps even more between grippers. If you had that problem I am sure Mr. Strossen would let you exchange for a different gripper, or a tougher one. That is if it was sort of brand new and almost unused. Hope this helps in consideration of the matter, but I don’t mean to argue over it. I only want to show my point of perspective. Michael Sanderson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Piche Posted December 20, 2002 Author Share Posted December 20, 2002 All grippers are not equal. That's pretty well established now! :stuart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mikael Siversson Posted December 20, 2002 Share Posted December 20, 2002 Welcome Håkan, I hope you are training hard with the v-bar. Arne and I will decide on the wrist event today. It will probably be our new special wrist gizmo that will stun the grip world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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