supersqueeze Posted November 21, 2002 Share Posted November 21, 2002 Unbelievable! Roark's words seem truer than ever. "The whole matter, were it not so inherently sad, would be laughable." For me the video was sad to the point of being pathetic. Mike M. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roark Posted November 23, 2002 Share Posted November 23, 2002 I plugged in my speakers and watched the clip six consecutive more times, pausing it so I could get measurement ratios between the bell length and Inch's torso. While he is cleaning the bell and it is vertical, its length goes from his belt to over his head. He makes a few factual errors, here are two: 1. Saxon was not around the bell for 15 years- at the most he could have been around it for 5 to 7 years because of the timelines of both men's lives in relation to when the bell was manufactured. 2. Inch says that in 40 years (which should be 32 years if the film is 1939) no one ever got the bell off the floor one inch. But he acknowledges in print to the contrary. If Saxon, Padoubny, Strongfort, and Deriaz- all world class strengthmen had failed, what in the blue blazes is the point of having a boxer's trainer try, or of having Trevor Evans try? Were they supposed to make a better effort than Saxon and company? And what exactly is the point of proving the bell is made of metal by striking it with a hammer? Would not have weighing the bell been more beneficial? By the way, I closed my #4 tonight. If you doubt it, I have a video of my wife striking a gripper with a hammer. Unbelieveable Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathan Say Posted November 23, 2002 Share Posted November 23, 2002 And what exactly is the point of proving the bell is madeof metal by striking it with a hammer? Would not have weighing the bell been more beneficial? Maybe they were showing that it wasn't hollow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mobsterone Posted November 23, 2002 Share Posted November 23, 2002 To answer all of Roarks questions with one reply - showmanship! I've said it before and I'll say it again. He made a living based on what he said (indeed Joe's making a few bucks based on being accurate - not a living mind). Plus the media influence wouldn't have been so strong. Lastly who would go there, from the famous strongmen available, and look weak compared to and lets be fair here, an old fat man. Joe not eveyone now, never mind then, is seaking the truth as you are. I know what you're thinking but its the way they are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roark Posted December 14, 2002 Share Posted December 14, 2002 Another thought about the film clip from 1939: You remember from my INCH101 series, and from old grip board posts, that Inch retired the Challenge 172 circa 1931 AFTER he made a film that year of him lifting it overhead. He did not mention other lifters attempting it on that occcasion, but he did acknowledge that he alerted the camera operator to get the shot on the first take because he wasn't sure he could lift it for a second time. Well the camera man, awed by the brutal strength he was witnessing, missed the shot. HOURS PASSED before Inch could muster the strength, helped along by massage, to lift the bell a second time. Okay, That takes us to 1939 when this film clip was apparently made. Inch was in his late 50s, the bell shown IS NOT the Challenge 172, though he does refer to it as his famous Challenge dumbell, and as the one which Saxon, Padoubny, and Deriaz could not elevate AT ALL off the floor. But we know from other references that the bell in this film clip is most assuredly NOT the famous challenge 172. Anyway... He then proceeds to lift the bell one handed overhead in what appears to be a very sub-max effort. So, had the camera operator missed the shot, the viewer gets the impression that several more takes were in the offing. All of this, eight years after his weakened condition for the first film. If there was a single BB rolling around in either of those spheres, I would be surprised. So now we know of 5 bells which he presented under the guise of his Challenge bell! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrik_F Posted December 14, 2002 Share Posted December 14, 2002 That wasnt very funny to see. The clean was so fake and with such a poor style it couldnt have been more obvious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldGuy Posted December 14, 2002 Share Posted December 14, 2002 It can be suspected, that even in the 1931 film, Inch was not lifting his heaviest bell. This most likely was reserved for people he considered strong enough to lift the bells that were lighter than the 172 pounder. If there was a chance that the 172 itself might be lifted, the dumbells would not be available at all. Like that other Tom, Tom Black, Inch was a juggler of heavy obects. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Black Posted December 14, 2002 Share Posted December 14, 2002 Joe, You had me with "Well the camera man, awed by the brutal strength he was witnessing, missed the shot." I was awed by Slim, Dennis and Mark at the AOBS dinner and had no problem getting the shots. 3Crusher and Sybersnott had no problems taking videos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Harlan Jacobs Posted December 15, 2002 Share Posted December 15, 2002 I personaly think that ie the truth be known, most of the oldtime strongmen preformed stunts, not feats of strength. I guess I have said that before in a previos post. Sorry to repeat myself. I'm old. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roark Posted December 15, 2002 Share Posted December 15, 2002 Harlan, Richter said, "Repetition is the mother of education." The errors have several decades of repetition to draw from, so it will take some time to spread the truth. There are internet sites that maintain errors about Inch and others because new info has not reached those sites. Age happens to the body; old happens to the mind. I suspect you are not old; perhaps aged? :huh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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