ChrisJames Posted November 16, 2002 Share Posted November 16, 2002 Joe ,could you tell me what the biggest clean and getting them overhead with a pair of dumbells is please ? Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roark Posted November 16, 2002 Share Posted November 16, 2002 Chris, I'll check to see if I have the info- that type of record in my files is not readily at hand, but now I'm curious. May be a couple days before I can get to it, so if anyone has the info handy, please help. I assume you are referring to cleaning both dumbells at the same time (not one then the other/anyhow)? Inch on Oct 22, 1929 in the two dumbells anyhow lifted 220 plus 56 for 276. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisJames Posted November 16, 2002 Author Share Posted November 16, 2002 Thanks Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sybersnott Posted November 17, 2002 Share Posted November 17, 2002 What are you currently working on Chris? (if ya don't mind me asking). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roark Posted November 17, 2002 Share Posted November 17, 2002 Chris, Perhaps Joe Garcia who works with the all round lifters competitions would have info. Please try him at email: jgarcia@usawa.com Good luck, Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisJames Posted November 17, 2002 Author Share Posted November 17, 2002 On Friday i gave the exercise a try after benchpressing with a 2 inch bar.I had not done this exercise in many months so i just started with 100 lbs.These felt very comfortable so i kept adding weight until i reached 154 lbs.I cleaned this and pushpressed them for 8 reps.I did two more sets after this and then i did one set of 3 cleans with the dumbells. I've lost a bit of weight through food poisoning and was really surprised.Maybe there's a carry over from all this grip stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mac Posted November 17, 2002 Share Posted November 17, 2002 Excellent work, Chris. BTW, what are you weighing now? Thanks in advance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisJames Posted November 17, 2002 Author Share Posted November 17, 2002 Thanks , about 240 at the moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jeff Roark Posted November 17, 2002 Share Posted November 17, 2002 Amazing Chris. Your power is super impressive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonathan McMillan Posted November 17, 2002 Share Posted November 17, 2002 Just for your ego boost, what was the weight used for the farmers walk for the first WSM comp? I don't think it was much more then what you've lifted overhead!!!!!! That's awesome! Jon@han Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Black Posted November 18, 2002 Share Posted November 18, 2002 Chris, Excellent lifting! In the June 2002 issue of Milo there is an article on one hand pressing (p57). It's not quite what you were looking for, but there are quite a few examples of what some of the strength stars of the past could do. At least it would give you a point of reference. For instance, right in the beginning of the article it mentions Doug Hepburn doing 72.6 kg with his right hand "without much side bend. Thats very close to what you did per hand. I'm very impressed. I seem to remember another Milo article with lists of 2 hand pressing numbers, and "The Super Athletes" might have something too. I'll check later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jeff0 Posted November 18, 2002 Share Posted November 18, 2002 Sheesh, your avatar is appropriate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bencrush Posted November 18, 2002 Share Posted November 18, 2002 In Dinosaur Training, Brooks Kubik credits the amazing John Davis with a 142 pound per hand clean and PRESS for one rep. I assume this was done in the 1950s. His bodyweight was about 233 pounds at the time. Simply amazing, as yours is. I have never heard any numbers bigger than yours Chris!!! Ben Edwards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roark Posted November 18, 2002 Share Posted November 18, 2002 The Davis clean and press with the 142s was reported in Strength & Health Dec 1951, and then in the Feb 1953 issue we are told this was done with no special training. The actual lift took place Jun 18, 1951 at Yarick's Gym in Oakland, CA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mark Posted November 18, 2002 Share Posted November 18, 2002 It seems that in the early 1980's Bill Kazmaier did a clean and press with two 156 lbs dumbbells. If my memory is correct this was done either as part of or shortly after the Strongbow Strongman Contest in London that also included a number of powerlifters and a few weightlifters. On a related note, competitors at that contest were required to clean and press a pair of 121 lbs. (55 kgs) db's and do as many presses as possible from the shoulder. Two important feats here: 1) Luke Iams (who benched 600 lbs before bench shirts) failed to clean the db's although he could press them several times when handed to him at the shoulders; 2) Kaz did 17 presses with them! Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roark Posted November 18, 2002 Share Posted November 18, 2002 Chris, The most I have found in the two dumbells clean and press (notice not push press) is a feat by Chuck Ahrens, which was, as were all his feats, done in a gym or beach setting and viewed by friends- as opposed to a judged competition setting. Months ago someone claiming to represent Ahrens contacted me, but Ahrens refused to communicate with me- if in fact I wasn't being played. Anyway, here is the claim put forward in Muscle Builder magazine July 1959 when Ahrens was age 25 and weighed 290 pounds: It is claimed he cleaned and pressed a pair of dumbells which weighed 205 pounds. Ironman had reported a two dumbells press with a pair of 200's in 1957, but this was disputed by Ernest Anderson. Ready to crawl to the edge of credulity? Lifting News reported that he cleaned (from the DEAD HANG!) a pair of bells then pressed them. 250 lbs each. Rader, though allowing this tale to be told, comments, "There is your bedtime story for this month". Frankly, I don't believe it either. For one thing, did a pair of 250 lb dumbells EXIST then? If so were they globe bells (which we know existed)? There is much material about Ahrens which we will be presenting in ironhistory next year when we change formats. I smell a lively debate in the morning mist. :crazy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mark Posted November 18, 2002 Share Posted November 18, 2002 Joe, Correct me if I am wrong: There were several different claims for Ahrens in this regard (2x200 in 1957 in the 2 db press; 2x205 in 1959 in the db clean and press; and 2x250 at some later point in the 2 db hang clean and press) or are these three different reports of the same feat? It seems to me the first is very possible, the second is more likely a db continental and press, and the third is absurd - but that's just my opinion. Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roark Posted November 18, 2002 Share Posted November 18, 2002 There were several varying reports on Ahrens, all of the documentations of which are contained within the following parentesis: () As you imply, the step from a 200 to 250 is phenomenal, especially when the 200 is done in clean fashion and the 250 is done from the dead hang. The other sun-bright aspect is this: He is credited with a two dumbells clean and press from the dead hang with a total of 500 lbs- about a dozen years before 500 lbs was managed in the barbell clean and jerk (from the floor). I am not convinced there is yet a man who can barbell clean 500 from the dead hang. But let's not allow facts to fog fun fables :hehe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathan Say Posted November 18, 2002 Share Posted November 18, 2002 I'm not sure about anything Chuck Ahrens did. There is tht pic in the Super Athletes though with a girl standing on his arm. What could he press on a barbell? Doug Hepburn's biggest c&p with 2 dumbells was 175s & his biggest press was 450. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roark Posted November 18, 2002 Share Posted November 18, 2002 I telephoned Les Stockton, for whom Ahrens worked in the mid 1950s, and asked Les what he remembered about Ahrens and dumbell lifting. All he could recall was that Chuck would use a pair of 110s or 120s as an exercise weight for pressing- it was nowhere near a limit weight for him, just set after set as an exercise poundage. Les said he will check with another man for whom Chuck worked and see what he recalls. Les also said that he trained Chuck for weightlifting competition on the press, snatch, and C&J, and that in training Chuck was making nearly world records by brute strength with minimal technique. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom of Iowa2 Posted November 19, 2002 Share Posted November 19, 2002 MILO,dec,1997 re:Bill Kazmier 'He's done a pair of 156's for 10 reps and a pair of 165's for 5 reps.'It went on to say he 'thought'(i for one don't doubt that he could've but apparently the fact is that he didn't?) he could have worked up to a pair of 200's and the article talks about him wanting to clean the appollon axle and press it for 10 reps. The article also indicated he was pressing a 2 inch bar for 5 reps but didn't specify what the weight of the two inch bar was?i guess it leaves me to beleive the two inch bar was 365lbs????of course that is not the same as the non rotating appolon axle? 5 reps with165's seems pretty cool? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom of Iowa2 Posted November 19, 2002 Share Posted November 19, 2002 Slightly off the subject but interesting trivia nonthe less- there was a funnly little guy at the 'strongest man alive'1998 practice sessions(that i attended but did not practice anything :hehe )and he was about 5'5"?and about 200lbs..with a gut...they called him Mr.Magee..Soft lookingbody-no muscularity-small arms and he cleaned and pressed a SINGLE 200#DB (or more?)Whit Baskin was cleaning and pressing a single of over 210?and he was 21 at the time....but weighed about 300lbs. Definitely not as hard as two dumbells...but Magee was a little guy.It shocked and impressed the heck out of a lot of big dudes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1stCoC Posted November 21, 2002 Share Posted November 21, 2002 Kaz has done....clean and press a pair of 174s.This is his best documented from what I have seen. It was around the time he did the 110s for 17 in the Strongbow contest. RS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roark Posted November 21, 2002 Share Posted November 21, 2002 Richard, So you discount the 250s from a dead hand for Ahrens? :hehe It would be interesting to see what Mark Henry could two dumbells clean on standard size handles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisJames Posted November 21, 2002 Author Share Posted November 21, 2002 I've done 125's for 21 reps and 100's for 38 reps but the heaviest i've tried are the 154's.On a 2 inch barbell i've done 160 kg for 10 reps and 190 for 4 reps.These were not cleaned though but i wish i could !! The most i've done single handed was around the 260 lb mark. I've also done 200 for 5 and 180 for 10. My goals are to go over 300 on both the clean and the overead part.I'm trying to master the art of bent pressing and i have now got much more respect for Mr Saxon .Truly an Iron Master.Wish i could of seen him in action. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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