pawel r Posted March 16, 2008 Share Posted March 16, 2008 John http://armpower.net/image.php?p=gashevski_...pg&size=med or Alexey http://armpower.net/image.php?p=gashevski_...pg&size=med Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbrown Posted March 16, 2008 Share Posted March 16, 2008 John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big nasty Posted March 16, 2008 Share Posted March 16, 2008 I second that !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexor Brachialis Posted March 18, 2008 Share Posted March 18, 2008 John easily ! I think Voevoda isn't that strong. He is just a overhyped dude who lives of the fame to have 1 win about a bated John. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florian Kellersmann Posted March 18, 2008 Share Posted March 18, 2008 I think Alexey would have a good chance to win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darthsith19 Posted March 19, 2008 Share Posted March 19, 2008 John easily !I think Voevoda isn't that strong. He is just a overhyped dude who lives of the fame to have 1 win about a bated John. How was John bated in their arm wrestle??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Bishop Posted March 19, 2008 Share Posted March 19, 2008 John easily !I think Voevoda isn't that strong. He is just a overhyped dude who lives of the fame to have 1 win about a bated John. i think your waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay off on this one IMO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbrown Posted March 20, 2008 Share Posted March 20, 2008 Well, He is that strong, But he does live of the fame of 1 win. BUT, What does "bated" mean? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dima700 Posted March 20, 2008 Share Posted March 20, 2008 It's hard to say, but I think that Voevoda would win if he gained back the muscle and started training hard again for armwrestling. I think that "bated" means that Brzenk was not in his peak form during that match because he had problems with his wrist and he was tired from winning the previous matches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florian Kellersmann Posted March 20, 2008 Share Posted March 20, 2008 Well, He is that strong, But he does live of the fame of 1 win.BUT, What does "bated" mean? I don't think it's right to say he lives of the fame of 1 win. I think that Alexey has some good chance against John not because of his (1) win against him, but based on his other performances. He won Zloty Tur heavyweight class a couple of times (3 or 4 times I think), is WAF worldchampion and he won against many top heavyweights and other pullers with ease (f. e. Michael Todd). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griparn Posted March 20, 2008 Share Posted March 20, 2008 If they armwrestled now, when Alexey is in "Bobsleigh-shape" I would put my money on John. But IF Voevoda had some months of specific armwrestling training I think he would have better odds winning. Just my two cents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbrown Posted March 20, 2008 Share Posted March 20, 2008 Florian, Your are right about how good he was and all of those very impressive wins. What I meant was, he was not FAMOUS until he beat Brzenk. Now that I know what Bated means. I will say John was very Bated at that match. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florian Kellersmann Posted March 20, 2008 Share Posted March 20, 2008 Florian,Your are right about how good he was and all of those very impressive wins. What I meant was, he was not FAMOUS until he beat Brzenk. Now that I know what Bated means. I will say John was very Bated at that match. Bob! Yes, beating Brzenk made him more famous. A another (better?) example for a guy that got famous because of one win against John is Alan Karaev. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Brouse Posted March 21, 2008 Share Posted March 21, 2008 So, either Alexey's claim to fame holds weight because John is considered all but unbeatable, or... it doesn't because John isn't unbeatable but definetely one of (probably the) best of all time. I, personally, would be comfortable with either. Would I show my age in this sport if I were to say that andybody can win on any given day. Or is that, maybe, to footbally? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexor Brachialis Posted March 21, 2008 Share Posted March 21, 2008 BUT, What does "bated" mean? In German : ( I just picked one of those ) attenuated geschwächt bated geschwächt debilitated geschwächt decrepit {adj} geschwächt depressed {adj} geschwächt enfeebled geschwächt I think a Ron Bath, Devon Larrat, (Dima Kotchiev ?) are people which are comparable with the strengh level of Voevoda. But John Brzenk is ABOVE ! and see ... Ron Bath has wins over Brzenk, Devon had one close match, but as long you don't proove that this weren't lucky days ( not meant Ron Bath) you can't really say that they are stronger... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbrown Posted March 21, 2008 Share Posted March 21, 2008 (edited) So, either Alexey's claim to fame holds weight because John is considered all but unbeatable, or...it doesn't because John isn't unbeatable but definetely one of (probably the) best of all time. I, personally, would be comfortable with either. Would I show my age in this sport if I were to say that andybody can win on any given day. Or is that, maybe, to footbally? If your football team was 315-5 over the last 20 years with all the same players. Then your team lost. It could be just showing its age. Every guy that beat John. John has a far superior winning record over. There are only two guys that John never came back to win. Veovoda and Alan Karaev. Of course neither seam to want to pull him again. Veovoda was 55 pounds bigger and Alan was about 100 pounds bigger. Alan pulled John 5 min after John had a very hard match and still almost lost. If they had pulled with just 1/2 rest, John would of beat him 10 out of 10 times. Now, Alexy, IMO is a true monster and very deserving of what ever recognition he gets. However, there have been several attempts to get him back to the table and he never seems to be able to show up. He knows John was not 100 % or "Bated"....I love this new word. . If John was 100 %, IMO John would of won, even weighing 209. Edited March 21, 2008 by bob brown Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florian Kellersmann Posted March 21, 2008 Share Posted March 21, 2008 What is John himself thinking about his chances? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexor Brachialis Posted March 21, 2008 Share Posted March 21, 2008 He knows John was not 100 % or "Bated"....I love this new word. smile.gif Lol, i just picked it out randomly, i thought it is a good translation and then you guys don't know it ^^ Funny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mac Posted March 21, 2008 Share Posted March 21, 2008 Be careful with the word "bated", many would take it to mean he had been angered or otherwise emotionally manipulated prior to the match (often spelt "baited"). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-Man Posted March 21, 2008 Share Posted March 21, 2008 If each faced each other in his most recent competitive shape (Voevoda vs. Michael Todd and Brzenk at Arnolds), I believe Voevoda would win. I do believe John at his recent best (2nd half of 2006 shape) would beat Voevoda at this best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dima700 Posted March 21, 2008 Share Posted March 21, 2008 After watching the videos from Nemiroff 2004, you can see that Voevoda won against everyone easily, not just Brzenk. So unless by some crazy coincidence all the players who armwrestled him were very tired from previous matches, the only conclusion I can come up with is that he was too strong for everyone during those matches. Brzenk also wins very quickly and easily, but I think that Voevoda still would win against a healthy Brzenk, although maybe not as easily as against others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-Man Posted March 23, 2008 Share Posted March 23, 2008 (edited) After watching the videos from Nemiroff 2004, you can see that Voevoda won against everyone easily, not just Brzenk. So unless by some crazy coincidence all the players who armwrestled him were very tired from previous matches, the only conclusion I can come up with is that he was too strong for everyone during those matches. Brzenk also wins very quickly and easily, but I think that Voevoda still would win against a healthy Brzenk, although maybe not as easily as against others. This is probably the best video of Brzenk at his strongest that is widely available on the Internet: john brzenk boomtown http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRHSVdrMx-w The last match is against Marcio Barboza. In that kind of shape, it's hard for me to imagine anyone beating Brzenk. Edited March 23, 2008 by G-Man Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pawel r Posted March 23, 2008 Author Share Posted March 23, 2008 In that kind of shape, it's hard for me to imagine anyone beating Brzenk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StalwartSentinel Posted March 23, 2008 Share Posted March 23, 2008 After watching the videos from Nemiroff 2004, you can see that Voevoda won against everyone easily, not just Brzenk. So unless by some crazy coincidence all the players who armwrestled him were very tired from previous matches, the only conclusion I can come up with is that he was too strong for everyone during those matches. Brzenk also wins very quickly and easily, but I think that Voevoda still would win against a healthy Brzenk, although maybe not as easily as against others. This is probably the best video of Brzenk at his strongest that is widely available on the Internet: john brzenk boomtown http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRHSVdrMx-w The last match is against Marcio Barboza. In that kind of shape, it's hard for me to imagine anyone beating Brzenk. Who's the idiot at 32 seconds? John took him straight down. There was no "trick" involved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Bishop Posted March 23, 2008 Share Posted March 23, 2008 After watching the videos from Nemiroff 2004, you can see that Voevoda won against everyone easily, not just Brzenk. So unless by some crazy coincidence all the players who armwrestled him were very tired from previous matches, the only conclusion I can come up with is that he was too strong for everyone during those matches. Brzenk also wins very quickly and easily, but I think that Voevoda still would win against a healthy Brzenk, although maybe not as easily as against others. This is probably the best video of Brzenk at his strongest that is widely available on the Internet: john brzenk boomtown http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRHSVdrMx-w The last match is against Marcio Barboza. In that kind of shape, it's hard for me to imagine anyone beating Brzenk. Who's the idiot at 32 seconds? John took him straight down. There was no "trick" involved. Tom Nelson and he is a very good puller but i've never met him but i hear he likes to joke around and talk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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