What would you rather do?

[ruffhans]

actually, i close the #4 every day!-- then i wake up, and realize it was only a dream and i  still have to close the #3!  

[DAN PETERSON]

I chose closing the #4 gripper because I would have a better chance at doing so. My hands are way too small to attempt the inch.

[paul valpreda]

I think cleaning and pressing the Inch dumbbell is such an incredible feat of strength, it's hard to describe. I guess if all #4's required exactly the same amount of pressure to close, I might feel different about this issue. I'm not trying to open an old wound here, but I think there are too many variables involved with the grippers, as has been discussed. I very much respect the fact that Kinney closed a #4 though. No disrespect is aimed at those who are working to close a #4. Conquering the #4 is a monster feat too.

[Roark]

Is it not true that many #3 closers cannot deadlift the

Inch?

Kenny, the only fourclosure (couldn't resist) so far could

not clean the Inch.

In reverse, only two men have cleaned the Inch, Henry and James, and neither of them can close the 4

I believe if some of the giants trained on the Inch and on the

4, they would clean the Inch before they closed the 4.

Nonetheless, because the Inch involves so many muscles

other than grip, to me it is a more impressive feat.

After all Henry and James can move the 4, but those who

cannot even deadlift the Inch cannot have been said to

move it. :hehe

Actually, I do not know what Henry and James can do on the

four, I am assuming Mark can move it because he can close the 3 with either hand. I assume, based on some of Chris James' other feats that he would be able to move the 4 also.

[mobsterone]

Me can lift it - off the floor - and me shut number three - me good?

[Guest 115-1005574997]

when u shut the #4, get the inch dbell to shoulder height and lift the Millenium dbell to knee hight u will be very good!

[RiotGrip]

Roark,

I don't know if it is fair to make the analogy between moving a #4 and moving the IDB.  Anyone can move a #4, because technically the begining resistance of any spring is zero, the #4 just gets very hard very quickly.  The Inch on the other hand is probably harder to move off the ground than just hold it in your hand at your waist.

[Roark]

Greg,

You make a good point. It is easier to hold the Inch

while standing erect, than it is to hold the 4 shut (after

vicariously getting it closed). But the analogy falters, in

my opinion in this regard:

For those able to close the 3, then some meaningful movement on the 4 is probable.

Those same men cannot in some cases

elevate the Inch at all, and when some do, it falls from their

grasp after 3 or 4 inches, so it gets harder faster also, probably because of the changing positions of the muscles

involved, which may be at their strongest in the completed deadlift position.

I think you are right though, in that, more men could deadlift

the Inch than could close the 4, but the original comparison was between closing a 4 or cleaning, not deadlifting, the Inch.

[James Anacleto]

What is the diameter of the Inch Dumbbell Handle?

What is the diameter of the Rolling Thunder Handle?

[OldGuy]

They are both so close to 2 3/8'' that the difference is negligible.

[Guest Euclid]

Clearly, cleaning Apollon's wheels which are what, 376#, is an easier feat than cleaning the Inch?  What would be really impressive to me is if one of the 5 who cleaned the wheels would slap an extra 24# to them and cleaned that.  The wheels are on a non revolving bar, right?  So a thick bar clean with a non-revolving bar is harder than if the bar revolved, provided that the weight was the same on each?

[Roark]

Apollon's wheels, the heavier of the two sets,

weighed 365-366 lbs.

All original barbells were non-revolving, and to make

lifting easier, revolving sets came along.

I had an old non-revolving barbell which weighed

about 100 lbs. A visiting friend picked it up to clean it and

almost injured his wrist at the turned over moment because

he did not loosen his grip and allow the bar to spin

in that way.

In many lifts with solid (non-revolving dumbells) this

factor is not noticed because the wrist/forearm, indeed the

whole body can adjust position, but when both wrists are

'locked' into forward clean position on a non revolving

barbell, it is much harder.

How many men have cleaned 366 on a regular barbell? Hundreds

How many have cleaned Apollon's wheels? Six (this

includes the the replica wheels):

Apollon, Rigoulot, Davis, Schemansky on original.

Mark Henry and Brad Gillingham on replica.

Some other men at the Arnolc Classic continentaled the

replica, but here we are speaking of cleaning.