handgripperman Posted May 26, 2006 Posted May 26, 2006 (edited) I was wondering where I could get a Millennium bell. I heard Alan Radley sells them How do I contact him ? Edited May 26, 2006 by handgripperman Quote
mobsterone Posted May 26, 2006 Posted May 26, 2006 Alan and I co-created the dumbbell. Alan is very hard to get a hold of and if he was still selling them I'd want to know - we split the small profit on each dumbbell. The last time we spoke about it I agreed with him to smash the cast/mold they are made from. If this hasn't been done you're looking at about $1000 US as shipping on a 228lbs cast dumbbell etc is a bitch. Quote Steve Gardener, British 2006/2008/2009/2010 champ, 117.5kg 2HP, Euro 2008 & 2010 champ
mobsterone Posted May 26, 2006 Posted May 26, 2006 Just don't call it a Millennium dumbbell. Quote Steve Gardener, British 2006/2008/2009/2010 champ, 117.5kg 2HP, Euro 2008 & 2010 champ
toe2toe Posted May 27, 2006 Posted May 27, 2006 Check ot Brutestrength .com i think they sell something similiar. Quote
climber511 Posted May 27, 2006 Posted May 27, 2006 How close would a plate loaded dumbbell with the proper handle size be if you tack welded the the whole thing together so it was solid? Quote When people used to ask him how it was he became so incredibly strong, it was always the same, "strengthen your mind, the rest will follow". The Mighty Atom Age wrinkles the body. Quitting wrinkles the soul. Being prepared for any random task is not the same thing as preparing randomly for any task. Greg Everett
handgripperman Posted May 27, 2006 Author Posted May 27, 2006 How close would a plate loaded dumbbell with the proper handle size be if you tack welded the the whole thing together so it was solid? Its just not the same !!! Quote
Steve B. Posted May 29, 2006 Posted May 29, 2006 Get the mold if not destroyed and have one made at a foundry in the U.S. Maybe you could rent it or something. Quote
mobsterone Posted May 29, 2006 Posted May 29, 2006 That's not gonna happen either. First he's buying one from Shane and secondly the idea of destroying the mold is to make the few bells exist rare and thus increase in value. Plus there's both the lack of profit - we made about £30.00 each per bell, the added expense of shipping to the USA and the new site I linked to yesterday. Quote Steve Gardener, British 2006/2008/2009/2010 champ, 117.5kg 2HP, Euro 2008 & 2010 champ
burkhardmacht Posted May 29, 2006 Posted May 29, 2006 How close would a plate loaded dumbbell with the proper handle size be if you tack welded the the whole thing together so it was solid? Its just not the same !!! Why? Quote "[...], this is a brutish-looking cast iron globe dumbbell with the short, fat handle that, for most people, ensures that it will never leave the ground. Grab this legend and lift it if You can. [...]" Videos: 2xBlob50: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpkgojFAilI Blob50+3x10kg plates/20kg Hub: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1sOP4jf0CQ
mobsterone Posted May 29, 2006 Posted May 29, 2006 How close would a plate loaded dumbbell with the proper handle size be if you tack welded the the whole thing together so it was solid? Its just not the same !!! Why? It's been asked before and it's the physics of a solid globe style dumbbell are, regardless of tack welding or in my case tight collared but plate loaded dumbbell, different. I can lift way more on a plate loaded non-revolving bell than I can a solid dumbbell (although I think even more on what will be a thin for me 2-inch thick handled bell). Quote Steve Gardener, British 2006/2008/2009/2010 champ, 117.5kg 2HP, Euro 2008 & 2010 champ
burkhardmacht Posted May 29, 2006 Posted May 29, 2006 But if everything is welded together it is like solid - or not?!?! Anyway, it would be a shame to destroy a nice plateloadable DB in that manner - better buy a solid DB! Quote "[...], this is a brutish-looking cast iron globe dumbbell with the short, fat handle that, for most people, ensures that it will never leave the ground. Grab this legend and lift it if You can. [...]" Videos: 2xBlob50: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpkgojFAilI Blob50+3x10kg plates/20kg Hub: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1sOP4jf0CQ
mobsterone Posted May 29, 2006 Posted May 29, 2006 AS ALREADY STATED AND DISCUSSED MANY TIMES no it is not. Ask those who own an Inch replica and a loadable thick handle and they will confirm this - as I did. Quote Steve Gardener, British 2006/2008/2009/2010 champ, 117.5kg 2HP, Euro 2008 & 2010 champ
OldGuy Posted May 29, 2006 Posted May 29, 2006 If the handles are the same diameters and the proportions are the same, then providing there is no turning of the plates on the handle, then it will behave as a solid dumbbell. The trick is to find a way to prevent plate and or handle rotation relative to each other. Not easy without welding the plates and handle all together. Quote Not afraid to ruffle feathers!
climber511 Posted May 29, 2006 Posted May 29, 2006 I was asking as a training tool to use to progress towards an actual Inch lift. I don't have one and the few times a year I'm around one certainly can't be called training for it. I can lift it (a real Inch DB replica - American 2.47") with finger pressure onto the side of the bell to stop some of the rotation but how close is that - who the heck knows - it might be close, it might not. If welding one up out of plates is actually close enough for training purposes, I would make one up, if it's not I won't. I already have a plate loadable one - actually a couple of them. Wow, didn't mean to start a war here Quote When people used to ask him how it was he became so incredibly strong, it was always the same, "strengthen your mind, the rest will follow". The Mighty Atom Age wrinkles the body. Quitting wrinkles the soul. Being prepared for any random task is not the same thing as preparing randomly for any task. Greg Everett
John Beatty Posted June 1, 2006 Posted June 1, 2006 Check out the Excalibur DB from Infinite strength. It's a loadable DB that the shell is solid. Paul is the man to talk to. Quote I like heavy things.
mobsterone Posted May 1, 2007 Posted May 1, 2007 If the handles are the same diameters and the proportions are the same, then providing there is no turning of the plates on the handle, then it will behave as a solid dumbbell. The trick is to find a way to prevent plate and or handle rotation relative to each other. Not easy without welding the plates and handle all together. Untrue. Try it. Quote Steve Gardener, British 2006/2008/2009/2010 champ, 117.5kg 2HP, Euro 2008 & 2010 champ
Autolupus Posted May 1, 2007 Posted May 1, 2007 If ALL the dimensions are the same it WILL react just the same! The main difference between a globe dumbbell and a welded plate dumbbell is that the diameter of the plates tends to be bigger than the spheres, this means the globe dumbbell will turn easier because there is less inertia to overcome, same as the flywheel principle! Quote Mike Mackenzie. Luceo non uro.
mobsterone Posted May 1, 2007 Posted May 1, 2007 You are wrong. It is physically impossible to get plates to occupy the same area as a solid globed bell. I've trained on both and have lifted both the Inch and the Millennium. Those that know physics have written as to why etc. So both they and I agree. You argue against it but then prove it at the same time. If, as in the Millennium, the globe is (at a guess) 9-inches thick, then to make up a 228lb dumbbell using similar plates means a dumbbell that is not globe like - ergo it will not feel the same. It is far easier for me to pull a 228lbs plate loaded dumbbell with a similar sized handle than it is the Millennium. This is proven by the sheer lack of those that have done so. Quote Steve Gardener, British 2006/2008/2009/2010 champ, 117.5kg 2HP, Euro 2008 & 2010 champ
Florian Kellersmann Posted May 1, 2007 Posted May 1, 2007 How big is the difference of a solid globe dumbbell and a plate loaded dumbbell, if you lift them untilted? I guess it's there, but not as big as some people say. JMO. Quote ARMS ARE FOR ARMWRESTLING "Always give your workouts cool names to fire you up!" - Devon Larratt
mobsterone Posted May 1, 2007 Posted May 1, 2007 The physical properties - weight and distribution - do not change whether it is stood on it's end, tilted whatever. The mentioned rotation 'adds' the same weight I have mentioned many times in several posts. Quote Steve Gardener, British 2006/2008/2009/2010 champ, 117.5kg 2HP, Euro 2008 & 2010 champ
twig Posted May 1, 2007 Posted May 1, 2007 The only way plates would have the same effect as a globe, would be if you melted the plates down, and cast then in a globe mould, before threading them on the bar. Otherwise the physics would differ greatly. Quote Be nice until it's time to not be nice-Patrick Swayze, Dalton, Raodhose. R.I.P.
burkhardmacht Posted May 2, 2007 Posted May 2, 2007 I know a guy who can lift the InchDB righty and lefty (not a the same time). This guy lifts 5kgs more on a plate loadable dumbbell. So there's a difference like Mob said. Obviously not for everyone the difference in weight is as big as he said. Quote "[...], this is a brutish-looking cast iron globe dumbbell with the short, fat handle that, for most people, ensures that it will never leave the ground. Grab this legend and lift it if You can. [...]" Videos: 2xBlob50: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpkgojFAilI Blob50+3x10kg plates/20kg Hub: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1sOP4jf0CQ
Autolupus Posted May 9, 2007 Posted May 9, 2007 It seems that there is a very large misunderstanding of VERY BASIC physics, just check out some Newtonian principles! Quote Mike Mackenzie. Luceo non uro.
twig Posted May 9, 2007 Posted May 9, 2007 Certainly Which Ones? Quote Be nice until it's time to not be nice-Patrick Swayze, Dalton, Raodhose. R.I.P.
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