Meat Loaf Posted May 13, 2004 Share Posted May 13, 2004 HELLO Can an experienced bender give me for all to see the final list of what type of nail or bolt is the close to exact equivalent to the ironmind White, Yellow, Green, Blue and Red nails? i don't wanna spend 60 bucks on the bag-o-nails. I just want to see which ones i could do without actually dropping a day's pay. White: Yellow: Green: Blue: Red: thanks men MEAT to hell with the devil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldGuy Posted May 13, 2004 Share Posted May 13, 2004 This site may be of help. http://home.insight.rr.com/strongman/bending.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmainlands Posted May 13, 2004 Share Posted May 13, 2004 I would add that I have not yet found any store bought crs or hrs 1/4 rod that is as tough as the IM yellow/blue material. I remember after doing 5 and 1/2" of store bought stock, I was really suprised how hard the IM blue was in comparison. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Ostlund Posted May 13, 2004 Share Posted May 13, 2004 White: Harder 3/16" stock Green: Same as above except cut an inch shorter Yellow: Timber Ties are just below. Tough 1/4" stock(maybe CR or a carbon steel) Blue: Some varieties of 60D nails. Same stock mentioned for yellow except cut to 6" Red: McMaster-Carr .316" W-1 drill rod stock. (These will cost about the same as Reds and they're not cut.), Zinc-plated 5/16" stock, zinc-plated 1/4" square cut to 6". Unless you stick with Timber Ties, 40D's, 60D's, and non-exotic stock; you'll probably pay just as much if not more on other stuff as you would for IM stock. Don't order the bag o' nails, go to the last page of products for specialized grip tools and order white - blue in bundles of 50 and Reds in 25's. Grade 5's cost more per bend than white - blue and Grade 8's cost more than Reds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meat Loaf Posted May 13, 2004 Author Share Posted May 13, 2004 Hey guys, thanks for your well-thought replies! So basically, if i can bend any 60D then i can most likely bend a blue? MEAT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAMMERHEAD Posted May 13, 2004 Share Posted May 13, 2004 Yup. -HH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmainlands Posted May 13, 2004 Share Posted May 13, 2004 Meatloaf, I have ran into a few, very few, 60Ds, that are easier than an IM blue. In almost every instance any common 60D you find will be equal or tougher than an IM Blue. Now a grade 5 bolt, is much tougher than a 60D or a blue no doubt about it!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meat Loaf Posted May 13, 2004 Author Share Posted May 13, 2004 well, i can easily bend a 5/16th by 6" galvanized carriage bolt, but im having a helluva time kinking a 5/16" by 6" zinc plated hex bolt (which i think is a grade 5 bolt). The 60Ds that i have are shiny steel, and they are VERY hard. I doubt that a blue nail could be any harder. but not that I would know... nobody at home depot knows what the hell a grade 5 or grade 8 bolt is, but i'm assuming a grade 5 is the 5/16" by 6" zinc plated hex bolt and the grade 8 is the 3/8" by 6 or 8 inches zinc plated hex bolt. Right? Wrong? Please help! MEAT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clay Edgin Posted May 13, 2004 Share Posted May 13, 2004 The grade refers to its strength, not thickness. They come in different sizes, but each one has its own properties. Here are my experiences with the 6" long, 1/4" diameter bolts: Grade 2: easy as a yellow. You can melt these. Grade 5: harder than a 60d, and much harder than a blue. These are a little springy. Grade 8: a little easier than the red I'm told. Very tough and very springy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meat Loaf Posted May 13, 2004 Author Share Posted May 13, 2004 thanks, Clay Well, these bolts i have are probably grade 8 cause they are HORRIBLE. I'll just concentrate on the 60Ds for now. They are hard enough. Thanks, men, for your advice MEAT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarytheDino Posted May 14, 2004 Share Posted May 14, 2004 http://www.geocities.com/ltgodfrey/weights.html This one helped me get started. Lots of good stuff there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmainlands Posted May 14, 2004 Share Posted May 14, 2004 Meat, The grade 5 will have 3 lines on the bolt head, the grade 8 5 lines, the grade 2 and below no lines! Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clay Edgin Posted May 14, 2004 Share Posted May 14, 2004 Also, the grade 8 is a gold/brass color. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffPeterson Posted May 14, 2004 Share Posted May 14, 2004 Hardware store workers often don't have a clue. If it doesn't have 3 lines it's not a grade 5 as Dave and I found. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meat Loaf Posted May 14, 2004 Author Share Posted May 14, 2004 well these bolts i have here are NOT grade 2s. I can bend a really hard shiny 60D and this bolt aint budging. I don't see any lines (i don't know where they are supposed to be) but this thing is a killer. eh whatever... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bencrush Posted May 14, 2004 Share Posted May 14, 2004 Meat, I have just recently found some CRS that is also labeled "weld steel." I bought some of this and cut it down to 6" and in my opinion it was at least as hard as the IM Blue. Very, very close if not even a bit harder. If you can't find any and you're interested, I'll send you some. Just let me know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mANVIL Posted May 14, 2004 Share Posted May 14, 2004 Meat, when most people talk about a grade 2 bolt they are refering to a 1/4 inch thick hex bolt without the 3 or 5 line markings on the top of the head to indicate a grade 5 or grade 8. The bolt you are talking about is probably a 5/16 inch thick grade 2 hex bolt in which case it is siginificantly more difficult than the grade 2's (1/4 inch) most people are referring to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MRBeyers Posted May 14, 2004 Share Posted May 14, 2004 http://www.boltdepot.com/hex-bolts.aspx Meat, This link shows the head markings. Also note that metric bolts have a number grading system, the higher the number, the tougher the bolt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meat Loaf Posted May 15, 2004 Author Share Posted May 15, 2004 i finally found a grade 5 bolt...with 3 lines on the head....and it's got a good kink...im gonna rest a few minutes and finish off the S.O.B. MEAT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Octogen Posted May 15, 2004 Share Posted May 15, 2004 Some info I came across last night when searching for graded bolts out here in Australia. The closest metric equivalent of a 1/4" x 6" grade 2 is an M6 x 150mm metric 4.6 bolt The closest metric equivalent of a 1/4" x 6 grade 5 is an M6 x 150mm metric 8.8 You can get the grade 5 and 8 bolts out here but they only sell the grade 8 s over 5/16" and i doubt i'll ever bend those!! i'm going to track down some bolts this week and see how i go biggest nails I can find are 150mm x 5.6mm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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