EricMilfeld Posted March 18, 2004 Share Posted March 18, 2004 I learned, via e-mail from Randy yesterday, that a certification bend of the Red must be performed in under one minute. Yikes! I'm not exactly Speedy Gonzales with the steel. My certification may be delayed a bit. But I'm up to the challenge. In the mean time I intend to video one of my sluggish, marathon bends of the Red for your viewing (or sleeping) pleasure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amaury Posted March 18, 2004 Share Posted March 18, 2004 Can't wait to see the vid, i'm sure it will help me cure my insomnia Seriously Eric it would be very cool if you could tape it ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmmicklabs Posted March 18, 2004 Share Posted March 18, 2004 I would love to see a vid also Eric. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strongmitts Posted March 18, 2004 Share Posted March 18, 2004 Just another small step for a very determined individual. BTW, was anyone else held to this one minute standard? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Ostlund Posted March 18, 2004 Share Posted March 18, 2004 That definitely doesn't make things easier. I'm confident that it will be only a small obstacle for you Eric. In six months you've gone from not being able to bend Grade 5's to knocking on the door of the Red. Very inspirational! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herc Posted March 18, 2004 Share Posted March 18, 2004 This is just another example of Randy changing rules midstream in a pathetically obvious attempt to staunch the flow of certificatuions. Up until now no one has been subject to a time limit in which the bend must be performed. In fact, I doubt that many of the currently certified Red benders could meet this new requirement. No disrespect intended. Oh, and did Randy also tell you that an Inch db must be suspended from a chain and clenched between your butt cheeks while holding a #4 shut between your knees( after first being set to the width of a credit card ) and singing the National Anthem while performing the bend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave Posted March 18, 2004 Share Posted March 18, 2004 i believe SHRUG was told a time limit as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSW Posted March 18, 2004 Share Posted March 18, 2004 A minute is a long time for a bend. It sounds reasonable to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terminator Posted March 18, 2004 Share Posted March 18, 2004 I had to meet this standard, my best effort is about 5 seconds and I rarely go anywhere near a minute anymore. I think 3crusher (most often overlooked bending "freak") is the first to be penalized for taking too much time. His bend took a total of 10 minutes, breathing and such, probably less than a minute of bend time. I'm sure he'll smack one in under a minute real soon. I think anytime someone takes longer than a minute, we should say they "pulled a Weiner" or something like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amaury Posted March 18, 2004 Share Posted March 18, 2004 my best effort is about 5 seconds Are you training to bend 19 red nails within 1mn ? His bend took a total of 10 minutes, breathing and such That poor Steve is getting old ! Maybe his nurse should have helped him finish that nail ? J-U-S-T kidding, Mr Weiner ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Ostlund Posted March 18, 2004 Share Posted March 18, 2004 I think a minute is a good standard. If you can't bend something in under a minute, you probably aren't proficient enough with it yet to be certified on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricMilfeld Posted March 18, 2004 Author Share Posted March 18, 2004 (edited) Like Terminator said, Randy is requiring Steve Weiner to perform a bend in under a minute. As to whether Steve is officially certified by IM on the Red, I don't know. Randy is open to dialogue on the issue and has invited input. Randy initiated the one minute rule to insure the bender has "mastered" the nail. Fair enough. Personally, I'd like something more like five minutes, but it's all a matter of personal preference anyways. I did submit to Randy a few of my reasons for preferring a longer time limit (listed below). But that being said, I look forward to the challenge of "Red Nail Mastery". By the way, I'm not one of those who ovelooks Steve Weiner's bending greatness. That guy's an animal! 1) A "hurry up and finish mentality" may invite injury. 2) The precedent set in other strength endeavors is for no time limit once the "lift" has begun. 3)Sometimes those "breathers" during a bend will allow time for the steel to harden and become more difficult. 4)We don't require "mastery" of a #4 close in a similar fashion. Imagine holding a #4 shut for ten seconds! All that being said, I still think the rule as it now stands is fair. Afterall, Randy is holding all of us to this same standard. Edited March 18, 2004 by EricMilfeld Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smitty Posted March 18, 2004 Share Posted March 18, 2004 (edited) This rule wasn't "known" to anyone until Randy stated it after Steve's bend, right? Or am I wrong? Wasn't this another case of Randy making the rules up as he goes along?... Edited March 18, 2004 by smitty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricMilfeld Posted March 18, 2004 Author Share Posted March 18, 2004 (edited) This rule wasn't "known" to anyone until Randy stated it after Steve's bend, right? Or am I wrong? Wasn't this another case of Randy making the rules up as he goes along?... This I don't know. Hmmm... Although Terminator tells us he had to meet the same standard. Edited March 18, 2004 by EricMilfeld Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amaury Posted March 18, 2004 Share Posted March 18, 2004 I'm not one of those who ovelooks Steve Weiner's bending greatness. That guy's an animal! I second that ! Ole' Steve ( i think i'm the only one to find this funny ) has made superfast progress, i think he took up bending less than one year ago (a few monthes before you, Eric, if memory serves me well). But Terminator (or 3 Crusher himself) could probably tell us more about Steve's bending resume. Strong, overall strong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smitty Posted March 18, 2004 Share Posted March 18, 2004 I guess I was wrong, must have been just a rumor....my bad... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JS27 Posted March 18, 2004 Share Posted March 18, 2004 How many has certified on the red? Brookfield Gavin Holle (any other Holle brothers do it yet, I know they were close months ago) Terminator Big Steve Shrug Did i miss anyone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSW Posted March 18, 2004 Share Posted March 18, 2004 How many has certified on the red?Brookfield Gavin Holle (any other Holle brothers do it yet, I know they were close months ago) Terminator Big Steve Shrug Did i miss anyone? Brookfield? Who was his witness? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMunger Posted March 18, 2004 Share Posted March 18, 2004 I think two minutes as we've been seeing in contests is fair. Although FWIW, it seems like if I'm not getting a nail in 1 minute I'm not getting it. I took almost the full 2 minutes on my last bend @ Strong Arm Tactics, but that was because my hand hurt, and I knew I had two minutes to work with. I did that a few times when I was starting. But lately it seems like it either bends or it doesn't. Maybe I'll be able to get back to the point where I can battle a nail for a long time, but at this point it seems like my weak links won't hold up to extended periods of 100% effort very long at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMunger Posted March 18, 2004 Share Posted March 18, 2004 Big Steve can bend Reds, but I don't think he's done the cert process. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JS27 Posted March 18, 2004 Share Posted March 18, 2004 Brookfield? Who was his witness? I dont know. He is credited as the first guy to bend a red so I guess he is certified on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drassk Posted March 19, 2004 Share Posted March 19, 2004 Brookfield? Who was his witness? Brookfield's credited with crushing a red with a chunk cut off of it (1/2" pr 1"?) so I've got a feeling that RJS himself has probably seen him bend a red at least once. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearcat 74 Posted March 19, 2004 Share Posted March 19, 2004 I've got a feeling that RJS himself has probably seen him bend a red at least once. Guess again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jad Posted March 19, 2004 Share Posted March 19, 2004 Is the one minute rule for bending time only or does it include wrapping or adjusting the wrapping. For example, when a person unwraps it a little in the final crush down, is the clock still running or is it just when the person is cranking on the nail? The double wraps especially tend to eat up a lot of time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldGuy Posted March 19, 2004 Share Posted March 19, 2004 Brookfield like the Holles is in league with Strossen (no need to say more) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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