jad Posted February 4, 2004 Share Posted February 4, 2004 Thought some of you might find this interesting. I recently got my neighbor into the grippers and he can close my FILED single stamp #2 but can't close his new #2 with the engraving on it. I must have one easy #2 and that's probably why the jump to the #3 felt so huge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianders1 Posted February 4, 2004 Share Posted February 4, 2004 That's not cool at all. I'm just getting ready to order a #2. Actually, I hope it's hard as hell - that way when I get a #3 it won't feel so impossible! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bseedot Posted February 4, 2004 Share Posted February 4, 2004 My new 2004 #3 is hard as well. Still not as difficult as my single-stamped #3 though. BC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jad Posted February 4, 2004 Author Share Posted February 4, 2004 Is your single stamp #3 mounted deeper than your 2004 #3 or do you think other factors contribute to it being more difficult? On the #2's I spoke of, the new #2 is mounted MUCH deeper than my single stamped filed #2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amaury Posted February 4, 2004 Share Posted February 4, 2004 I have a #3 gripper with the engraved handles. It is not particularly hard. Quite the same as one of my older #3s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clay Edgin Posted February 4, 2004 Share Posted February 4, 2004 My #2 is a pretty tough one and now that it is filed down, only guys who are at least knocking on the door to the 3 have closed it. I think that's why I closed the 3 as fast as I did. A filed tough 2 and an average 3 weren't that far apart in strength. Supersqueeze's #2 is also pretty hard. He somehow managed to get a hard 2 and an obscenely hard 3! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffPeterson Posted February 4, 2004 Share Posted February 4, 2004 I have heard that the new #4's feel really tough compared to past years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bseedot Posted February 4, 2004 Share Posted February 4, 2004 Is your single stamp #3 mounted deeper than your 2004 #3 or do you think other factors contribute to it being more difficult? On the #2's I spoke of, the new #2 is mounted MUCH deeper than my single stamped filed #2. I'm not sure about the spring mount, but the handles on my single-stamped #3 are definitely wider than my other #3's. BC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clay Edgin Posted February 4, 2004 Share Posted February 4, 2004 (edited) Jeff, I have tried at least 5 new #4's now and all of them are very different. They range from weaker to knurled brick! One of mine falls in the middle of this range and my other one is a knurled brick. What was strange was how tough the sweep felt on a couple of them. On two of them, the sweep was squishy but then it hardened up at the last inch. On some others, it was hard the entire squeeze. Edited February 4, 2004 by ClayEdgin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Walker Posted February 4, 2004 Share Posted February 4, 2004 My new #3 is amoung the hardest I have felt-and-I have Rob Vigeant's super hard #3 at my house right now to compare it to. My new #4 though appears to be easier then my old #4 as the spring is higher. My new #2 is tough-but not that tough. Rick Walker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bender Posted February 4, 2004 Share Posted February 4, 2004 I have two new #3's, and one is right-on my other #3's, but the other is considerably wider and by far the hardest #3 I have. I don't foresee closing it any time soon. It's a beast. I'd appreciate watching someone else close it. (or me) My #2 is right on with my old #2, but from what I've been told, both are harder than normal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Landon Posted February 4, 2004 Share Posted February 4, 2004 Yah, I actually got word too from John Sullivan that his new #3 is harder than his 2000-2001 (questionable the year). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jad Posted February 4, 2004 Author Share Posted February 4, 2004 My new #4 is my only #4 and before seeing others comments I hesitated to post because I just figured all #4s were just bricks and I didn't want to come off as a whiner. Before I seasoned it, it took everything I had just to set it and forget about chest closing it. Post-seasoning I can chest close it whenever I want but it is still very hard right from the go. I will say that after working with it, setting all of my other grippers is child's play. I think I'm going to pick up at least one more in hopes of getting an "easier" one now that I know there is such a thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffPeterson Posted February 4, 2004 Share Posted February 4, 2004 I'm glad that there is variation in all the grippers. it lets you get a nice range of grippers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3djim Posted February 5, 2004 Share Posted February 5, 2004 Variation in "force to close" can be about +- 10% to 15%, as a result of manufacturing errors in wire size (up to +-.002), sweep (up to +- 2 degrees), handle depth (up to +- 1/16"), coil diam ( ~ 5%). A given model for a given manufacturer can vary "all over the map", as many of you already know. This accounts for your observations that a gripper model can be "easy", "hard", "smooth", etc. However, it would be helpful if such relative terms could be quantified, within reason. Note, the angle between the handles only determines the sweep needed to bring the handles to parallel. There is an extra final sweep ~7 degrees, that is necessary to get handle contact. If you file your gripper, then that extra sweep could run another several degrees and add significant difficulty to the close. Measuring that final sweep can be done fairly easily by using hose clamps to fix the closed position. I would like to see posts (or Emails to me) of fairly careful measurements for these various geometric parameters for your grippers. From that I can run the "gripper equation" and determine reasonably well how your grippers line up re "force to close". IF you can get manufacturers to be very precise about the geometric param's for a specific model they plan to ship to you, then I can also run these numbers for you before purchase. Chances are, though, you won't get this data easily! I see a lot, A LOT, of posts re this issue of gripper force variability. See some of my other posts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokinjoe Posted February 6, 2004 Share Posted February 6, 2004 i bought a 2003 no 4 man a knarled brick, i can hardly move it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pdaddy Posted February 6, 2004 Share Posted February 6, 2004 I would love to be as strong as Magnus samuelsson, he have cruched the #4 several times in a row I dont got any CoC yet, just ordered a couple of RB ones.. Cheers Marcus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sybersnott Posted February 7, 2004 Share Posted February 7, 2004 I don't foresee closing it any time soon. It's a beast. I'd appreciate watching someone else close it. Eric, Can ya send it to me?? I'd like to try it out..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gerryg Posted February 26, 2004 Share Posted February 26, 2004 Thought some of you might find this interesting. I recently got my neighbor into the grippers and he can close my FILED single stamp #2 but can't close his new #2 with the engraving on it. I must have one easy #2 and that's probably why the jump to the #3 felt so huge. Does anyone know if the coc#1 has the engraving on the handles? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
austinslater Posted February 26, 2004 Share Posted February 26, 2004 I think they all have the engraving on them now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
br765 Posted February 26, 2004 Share Posted February 26, 2004 Does anyone know if the coc#1 has the engraving on the handles? Yes it does. I got one in January that has the engraving. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gerryg Posted February 26, 2004 Share Posted February 26, 2004 Thanks for the info! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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