Geralt Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 Saw this one coming by on FB today. Apparantly there is a channel with Kinney's name. Not to unleash a new debate, but I think it's interesting to see. Actually never saw it before. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xLRU3GsAFtU 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Scibelli Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 Wow, I've never seen that before either, I've heard it described by people. That doesn't look like any #4 close video that I have seen lol. The dog leg is way down in his hand. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Hench Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 That's Joe. He's been over on the IM forum for a while now giving training advice and he posted the vid up after someone else kept posting it and it getting taken down. Joe discussed it with John Wood to post up just the close of the video John sells since Joe doesn't have the rights to it anymore. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Matney Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 I don't think I could close a #2 like that 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshW Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 Probably couldn't even do a #2 or a #1 like that. Do find it hard to believe, as its was such an odd close the way it was closed looked like there would be no leverage at all. But not going say he definitely didnt do it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jared Goguen Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 I have this DVD, the #4 close aside. My problem is with his grip machine and squat numbers. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geralt Posted February 15, 2015 Author Share Posted February 15, 2015 Yeah..it's a neverending discussion. Look at the biggest gripguys over here when doing max closes and then look at this hand, not shaking, Joe even talking and grinding the handles...it even seems that the final part of the close even speeded up instead of movement slowing down because of ramping up from the spring. Hmm. Anyway, like I said, I had never seen it before, so thought it would be interesting to see. That's it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshW Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 Just looked like he was pushing the handles with the tips of his fingers and only curled them round the gripper at the end of a close. What was his squat numbers and grip machine numbers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Pizzo Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 Thanks Geralt, I also had never seen this close before...now having seen it....finally...I really don't have anything to say that hasn't been said by a hundred different people in a hundred different threads. Kinney had absolute dominance over whatever it is he is closing in that video...if it is a legit #4 then his max must have been close to a BB Pro...absolutely astounding! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allen Heineck Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 Does that DVD show other #4 closes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico300zx Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 Sombody lock this thread quick 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norden Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 Does that DVD show other #4 closes? Nope Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jared Goguen Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 Does that DVD show other #4 closes? No just this one, plus a lot of interview time. Sombody lock this thread quick Might be a good idea depending on the direction it goes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Piche Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 There is no reason to lock the thread unless the debate starts like a broken record. It's been hashed and re-hashed so many times here for at least 10 years (probably more). 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony C. Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 *gets popcorn* 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Matney Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 I have no reason to doubt it was a legit close. As far as the grip machine and squat numbers go, he was using homemade weights, as well as a cambered bar. So it was pretty much a wild guess on his part. People hate him cause they ain't him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John McCarter Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 Here is some information I can share with people here. These are the numbers regarding the poundages used. I will not post the amount of reps/sets/attempts, Joe has gone on record stating how many times that he never counted anything but the attempt and that's only if it was good by his standards, everything else was thrown out. 380-390 lbs on the floor model grip machine. 200 lbs played with on the Secret Weapon. 440 lbs or more on Squats with a Safety Squat Bar. Please note that the weights used were homemade concrete weights plates, or, cheap flywheels he (Joe) bought. Nothing from what I know was calibrated on an official weight scale, so that is really a point of debate over how much said weights could actually be at; so, it's more of a give or take when it comes to said numbers in that they could be at higher or lower than one could know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jvance Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 Yeah the way he set it was kinda like the way I set it before I knew what I was doing... And I don't mean deep setting. If its legit its the most impressive gripper close ive ever seen to include Nathan Holle, even if its a low end 190-195 #4. He basically only sets it enough to get his fingers around the handle. And the grind? Unbelievable... His hand and tendons didn't even look like they were under much tension. Thanks for posting Geralt. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geralt Posted February 16, 2015 Author Share Posted February 16, 2015 There is no reason to lock the thread unless the debate starts like a broken record. It's been hashed and re-hashed so many times here for at least 10 years (probably more). My idea. A lot of guys incl me never saw the video before, and that's it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Six Barrel Shotgun Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 (edited) I like the "No Cussin" sign. And i'm happy to have the Kinney video (not the DVD) Edited February 16, 2015 by Six Barrel Shotgun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave murray Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 Does that DVD show other #4 closes? Nope i have seen that clip over on Ironminds forum, amazing. so i bookmarked it on my own laptop. then, perhaps a half an hour later it disappeared! some legal issues i think. now, i didn't share it with anyone else, or post it to anyone else. it just said something like " access has been denied" . in any event , he made it look simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royz Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 Thanks geralt. Never seen this before also. I think in order to close a gripper this way one must be one level stronger. So people mms closing #3's can do this with a #2 etc. So if this is a legit #4 close his max closing strength must've been 240ish? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David_wigren Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 This Kinney-thing is very fascinating to me. According to some different sources, Kinney met with at least two different dudes and trained with them at least once where he closed their #4's, not his own, but their #4's. That would be extremely hard to fake. This, along with a couple of witnesses who saw him close his own #4 makes his #4 closing ability seem fairly legit. But, with that said, I do agree that this video looks very fake, partly for the reasons Tommy mentioned. Maybe Kinney could close #4's at one point, but when he decided to shoot a video, maybe he had lost his top strength, and decided to make a video of him closing a tampered #4? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arne Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 (edited) http://www.gripboard.com/index.php?showtopic=42498&hl=%2Bjoe+%2Bkinney Read Bearcat 74 comment. Edited February 16, 2015 by Arne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricMilfeld Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 This Kinney-thing is very fascinating to me. According to some different sources, Kinney met with at least two different dudes and trained with them at least once where he closed their #4's, not his own, but their #4's. That would be extremely hard to fake. This, along with a couple of witnesses who saw him close his own #4 makes his #4 closing ability seem fairly legit. But, with that said, I do agree that this video looks very fake, partly for the reasons Tommy mentioned. Maybe Kinney could close #4's at one point, but when he decided to shoot a video, maybe he had lost his top strength, and decided to make a video of him closing a tampered #4?You can't rule that scenario out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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