Emsquared Posted May 21, 2003 Share Posted May 21, 2003 (edited) I was just wondering what a decent lift on a 2.5" smooth barbbell would be. I can do 270lbs. Pic will be in my gallery as soon as wannagrip adds it. Matt Edited May 21, 2003 by Emsquared Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Piche Posted May 21, 2003 Share Posted May 21, 2003 http://www.cyberpump.com/gallery/album61/aas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest gripmaster316 Posted May 21, 2003 Share Posted May 21, 2003 very nice!!!!! Matt. Where the hell did you get that barbell, is it custom made???? And I was just curious what makes a good leverage feat? I saw Josh Bigger doing 50 some odd pounds on the heavy hammer. Is that very good??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emsquared Posted May 21, 2003 Author Share Posted May 21, 2003 (edited) Thanks I am not sure what a good lever lift is, as I do not work with levering much, yet. As far as the Bar goes it is BC's you can ask him where he got the bar from. The bar itself weights, 110lbs It is heavy all on its own, but the 270lbs is my PR for right now I hope to work up to 300lbs in the near future. Matt Edited May 21, 2003 by Emsquared Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom of Iowa2 Posted May 21, 2003 Share Posted May 21, 2003 gripmaster316, his arm was not quite parallel to the ground..so it wasn't quite a 'perfect' leverage for the purists.A real leverage(or one way of doing it properly)the arm must be parallel with the ground. However JUST holding 50lbs PLUS out in front,at an angle slightly less than parallel,arm straight,elbow locked and with the wrist levered back is VERY difficult.He has actually done 65.5lbs in this movement.The stress on the front delt(s),elbow and wrist is beyond my comprehension.he has also leveraged back a 20lbs sledge with an extra 5.5lbs on it.He DOES do the sledge with arm parallel to the ground. I have strong wrists,can lever back a 16lb sledge and can't dublicate HIS,slightly less than parallel arm leverage feat with even 37.5lbs.on the Iron Mind thick hammer.It also takes some grip to hold on to the thick hammer,even with just 37.5lbs.Just me attempting the 37.5lbs incapacitated my shoulder and elbow for OVER a week(and I can seated shoulder press 135lb dumbells for reps,)I thought i tore something off my shoulder and hyperextended my elbow. i am just guessing but i think IT(the leverage with 65.5lbs on an Iron Mind Heavy Hammer )even with the arm not quite parallel is a fairly unique ability. Come to think of it?I think it would be tough for even some grip practitioners to do this with 2 hands?I may try it some time. If you were viewing the gallery?and saw the eagle loops lift?he has done that with over 500lbs...with the fingers of one hand.Wrist Roller over 400lbs. He has 'retired' from grip work and we no longer train together. Emsquared, Sorry to get sidetracked.But waht sort of a rolling thunder maximum do you have?you've probably mentioned it but I forgot. Are you able to curl the bar empty?or have you tried it.Reverse curl the bar? That looks like a good challenge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emsquared Posted May 21, 2003 Author Share Posted May 21, 2003 Tom of Iowa 2, my rolling thunder max has just increased to a little over 200lbs, I have not tried to curl the bar yet, or reverse curl it. Good IDEA though I will try it. Matt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldGuy Posted May 21, 2003 Share Posted May 21, 2003 Matt, have you looked in the gallery and seen what Chris James can do with similar bars? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bseedot Posted May 21, 2003 Share Posted May 21, 2003 I got the bar through Jackal's Gym. It is custom made. I guess that Karl just didn't have much use for it... BC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonathan McMillan Posted May 21, 2003 Share Posted May 21, 2003 Looks good!! How long have you trained with your 2.5inch barbell?? Jon@han Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest gripmaster316 Posted May 21, 2003 Share Posted May 21, 2003 (edited) his arm was not quite parallel to the ground..so it wasn't quite a 'perfect' leverage for the purists.A real leverage(or one way of doing it properly)the arm must be parallel with the ground. You are right, his arm is just slightly not parallel with the ground. Once I saw this I had to start working on it. Right now I can do 30 lbs. (I made the bar out of dumbell, so the handle isn't thick like the heavy hammer. Hopefully, I can work to what Josh Bigger can do. Also, why did he retire? An injury? He wasn't being challenged enough? If I were him I would continue and perhaps even make records. 500 pound deadlift with the eagle loops? Who in Gods name can even attempt that??? Edited May 21, 2003 by gripmaster316 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Walker Posted May 21, 2003 Share Posted May 21, 2003 Sorry to hear that Josh no longer does grip work. He has some real potential-but I guess the bug doesnt bite everyone-only us guys who have to work our butts off for every little gain ! Rick Walker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldGuy Posted May 21, 2003 Share Posted May 21, 2003 Atomic Athletic has rotating Olympic bars in sizes from 1 3/8'' all the way up to 3''. PDA is the place to go for solid thickbars of all kinds. It's possible to rig up a bar using pipe, but you cannot beat a solid steel work of art from PDA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom of Iowa2 Posted May 21, 2003 Share Posted May 21, 2003 Rick, Retire at his age ?perhaps me just being over dramatic. I believe that it has a lot to do with time and priorities HIS schedule.He just doesn't have the extra 1.5 to 2 hours a week for the specific grip work. Something had to give. i.e.Full timePhysical labor job,and over and above that: farming(busy time of year now),2 young kids,bills,compared to me he has a real life .He also has some other goals that may end up being fun to watch anyway.His training priorities has just changed. With his 5 day a week,high volume combo of power lifting type exercises combined with HEAVY bodybuilding type exercises and now push presses,etc....i don't think he'll lose much grip anyway.He had more grip before he started training then i have now...i guess that goes without saying. But... at this moment it....it's just sad to me. Gripmaster316, The above answers one of your questions as well. The pain on HEAVY eagle loops is just mind numbing...I CAN verify that....he says he doesn't feel anything.You have to have a pretty good 'back'to go THAT heavy also.i think he was no where near his maximum on any of this stuff. All those photos in the gallery were taken just 3? 3 1/2? months after he started training.A complet newbie. Right now?he's 25? years old.He's only been training -weights and grip-for 11 months...he'll be back. Emsquared, Just the 'visual'of that heavy monsterous bar made me think about how cool it would be to curl it. i've posted this before but we took bent(useless)olympic bars.Took an end off.Slipped in some heavy gauge pipe.Welded it.Put the end back on and you still have the strength of the bent 'oly'bar underneath the pipe..plus..for better?or worse?(depends on how you look at it)you still have the revolving sleeves at the end. Gyms don't want or need the bent bars.Dangerous i guess.so they are scrap.Call around.Free or cheap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mobsterone Posted May 21, 2003 Share Posted May 21, 2003 Phew 2 handed. You had me worried Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest gripmaster316 Posted May 21, 2003 Share Posted May 21, 2003 (edited) The above answers one of your questions as well.The pain on HEAVY eagle loops is just mind numbing...I CAN verify that....he says he doesn't feel anything.You have to have a pretty good 'back'to go THAT heavy also.i think he was no where near his maximum on any of this stuff. All those photos in the gallery were taken just 3? 3 1/2? months after he started training.A complet newbie. Right now?he's 25? years old.He's only been training -weights and grip-for 11 months...he'll be back. Good God!! 11 months of weight training??? I am just curious did he ever train with the grippers??? That picture of him doing finger holds with 600 lbs. might translate into closing a 3 if not the first time, maybe the second or after a warmup?? Edited May 21, 2003 by gripmaster316 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom of Iowa2 Posted May 21, 2003 Share Posted May 21, 2003 Grippermaster 316, He closed a #3 the FIRST time he touched it and without any gripper training.No set.Heres the story:After about 4 1/2 months of grip work(NO grippers he was NOT really interested in them) and weight training He went to a strongman contest in Illinois.The INCH replica was there and the Millenium. His elbow was bothering him and his middle finger sort of numb from the elbow injury but he went anyway.He deadlifted the INCH replica.Did not get the Millenium.A guy on this forum was a there.(Board name 'Animal Cage').he reportedly handed Josh some Grippers and he shut the number 3.He said it was "like squeezing gr#$e "very EZ. He has shut my number #3 for multiple reps and shut the IVANKO in the tough position,first try.Before he 'quit'grip training he never really got into the grippers although would pick mine (i got mine just about 6? or 7weeks ago?)and play with them.Reps and holds. He recently did a 1/4 squat with i believe?1565lbs,deep thickbar front squats with somehwere around 425#,partial dead from exactly 23 inches with 1150# for 2 reps and on 'arm day'did reverse grip benches(his favorite tricep exercise) with somewhere around 415 or 425 for a few reps. He also,recently bench pressed the 186# dumbells for a couple of reps .He has long arms and is not'built'for pressing and of course has only been lifting weights for LESS than 1 year.He'll do more. We used to train together but aren't at this time.Work out s with him were like going to an amusement park.he has some unique goals for strength and hopes to begin strongman training when he brings his base power "up" He can outrun(sprint)anyone in the gym for 25 yards and has an amazing vertical. oh yeah,since the pic was taken he has increased the weight of the finger holds to over 700lbs.Again he recently stopped all the grip stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emsquared Posted May 21, 2003 Author Share Posted May 21, 2003 Isn't it funny how a simple question, can get moved so far off track, sometimes it would be nice to just have a question answered, instead of it being led off to another topic. Just my opinion but there is a lot of none related posts on this topic. Thanks to the ones that gave a little input Matt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sybersnott Posted May 21, 2003 Share Posted May 21, 2003 Matt, After carefully studying the pic, it looks like you are pinching that bar instead of lifting it (look at your right hand). Wow, that is awesome! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom of Iowa2 Posted May 21, 2003 Share Posted May 21, 2003 Emsquared, Sorry.ABSOLUTELY My fault!!He IS new and younger than me.I should have started a NEW topic.and moved on. BTW i did find the original subject interesting ,responded to it and it has lead me to trying to build an even thicker bar.Perhaps a 2.75. Just got distracted.My trainign sucks at this moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emsquared Posted May 23, 2003 Author Share Posted May 23, 2003 I do have a 3" homeade bar made from pvc with an inner pipe loaded with cement, bare weights about 70lbs. I am working on seeing what I can lift on that, and will post some pics soon. Matt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldGuy Posted May 23, 2003 Share Posted May 23, 2003 I have lifted 142 1/2 lbs on a 3'' thick handle dumbbell fixed so there is no revolving of the plates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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