mobsterone Posted May 8, 2003 Share Posted May 8, 2003 Page 160 of the UK edition there's a paragraph right there, massaging my ego. I wont dwell on the 226 when its 228 and no mention of poor old Alan Radley, co-creator, cos I'm in it anyway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Steve Posted May 9, 2003 Share Posted May 9, 2003 Mob is the handle the same size on Millennium as the Inch and the width also? Thanks Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mobsterone Posted May 9, 2003 Author Share Posted May 9, 2003 The length between globes is longer but the diameter is the same (2 and 3/8ths of an inch - about 60mm) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roark Posted May 9, 2003 Share Posted May 9, 2003 Yes, but the Inch replicas that most will have access to have a handle diameter of 2.47". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mobsterone Posted May 9, 2003 Author Share Posted May 9, 2003 By most do you mean Americans? Cos 'most' here in the UK can get 60mm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terminator Posted May 9, 2003 Share Posted May 9, 2003 The Inch Bender tried has the 2.47" handle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roark Posted May 9, 2003 Share Posted May 9, 2003 Mobster, I was talking about the Staver foundry Inch replicas having the 2.47" I was not aware that the Inch replicas in your homeland came with 2.38"- do you mean they all come that way or that a certain manufacturer offers such? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mobsterone Posted May 9, 2003 Author Share Posted May 9, 2003 Don't confuse the onlookers . It's two and 3/8ths of an inch as opposed to 2.38 (different again than 2.47). I was talking about handle size and have no idea of what the dimensions are on the replicas other than being able to say the one I have lifted felt identical to the original. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roark Posted May 9, 2003 Share Posted May 9, 2003 What? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazza Posted May 9, 2003 Share Posted May 9, 2003 JOE There are only 4 INCH REPLICAS that i no of in the UK,all were made by the HOLLE brothers and all have 2.3/8" handles. Hope this helps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Piche Posted May 9, 2003 Share Posted May 9, 2003 JOEThere are only 4 INCH REPLICAS that i no of in the UK,all were made by the HOLLE brothers and all have 2.3/8" handles. Hope this helps. Then they are not Inch Replicas? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazza Posted May 9, 2003 Share Posted May 9, 2003 Bill How come Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emsquared Posted May 10, 2003 Share Posted May 10, 2003 (edited) I believe that Inch Replicas have a handle of 2.47 Which the one I have is that I got from the Staver Foundry Matt Edited May 10, 2003 by Emsquared Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roark Posted May 10, 2003 Share Posted May 10, 2003 Bruce White made the first Inch replica, or Arthur Saxon did- if you believe Inch, who said Saxon mastered his own replica but still could not get Inch's off the floor. Yeah right. Anyone can make a replica- I was merely trying to determine if there is consistency. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mobsterone Posted May 10, 2003 Author Share Posted May 10, 2003 2.38 inches is not the same as 2 and 3/8ths of an inch just as its not the same as 2.47 inches. There wouldn't be much between them. However, I have NEVER measured the original and perhaps Joe has as he has had the opportunity. The OHF and others who had access to the original bell for many years only once (Malcolm Whyatt) did any scale or tape work. IF and only IF the replicas are based on an up-to-date and accurate measurement will they be true replicas. The above comments are made in the hope of accuracy. However, the slight differences wouldn't prevent one from being able to lift another unless doing so was your absolute limit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roark Posted May 10, 2003 Share Posted May 10, 2003 I measured the original three times: 2-3/8". I had read that it was 2.47" so it surprised me that it was not. John Wood, who of course has access to the Inch original and Staver replicas, says the original is slightly easier because of the smaller diameter. In my case, the handle on my Millennium is smaller than my Inch replica, and in fact feels smaller. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazza Posted May 10, 2003 Share Posted May 10, 2003 If the handle of the Original Inch D/bell is 2.3/8",then surely the 4 Inch Replicas in the UK all with 2.3/8" handles are a better copy/replica. At the end of the day who realy gives a shit,i certainly dont,i am quite shure that the Replicas here in the UK made by the Holle brothers arte equily as hard to lift as the ones made in the US and the original itself. I think the slight varience in weight is more of an issue than the slight difference in handle thickness. Unless we all tast are lifting skills on the exact same one ,whos gonna no,either you made the lift on the day with that particular Inch Replica or you did not,a bit like the variance in some grippers,makes thgings more interesting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Piche Posted May 10, 2003 Share Posted May 10, 2003 I still couldn't lift either right now! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roark Posted May 10, 2003 Share Posted May 10, 2003 As regards who gives a concern about the bar diameter, well, I guess I do. As a friend just reminded me, a replica is an exact copy, and if the Staver bells are thicker handled than the original then they are not a replica. Now before Martha Stewart gathers her garden brood over tea to shout opposition let me add that certainly if the 2.47" can be lifted, then assuredly the 2-3/8" can be by the same person. But it appears- if all other dimensions are accurate- that the bells in England/UK are a 'closer' replica than the Staver version. Does it matter? Not in the grand scheme, but in my database, yes, it matters. And thank you, Ray, for the nudge and reminder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Walker Posted May 10, 2003 Share Posted May 10, 2003 I commend you Roark for always seeking the whole thruth and nothing but the thruth. Rick Walker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mobsterone Posted May 10, 2003 Author Share Posted May 10, 2003 Do we get off the point or what. The Inch is 2 and 3/8th's like I said and the UK versions are 2 and 2/8ths so... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roark Posted May 10, 2003 Share Posted May 10, 2003 It is a distinction lost on those who do not care. It appears to be annoying to you, Mobster, when some of us try to be specific. You need not reply to threads that hold no interest for you. Another specific thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuckie B. Posted May 10, 2003 Share Posted May 10, 2003 Roark, Great job on getting the facts on the INCH. How come the Staver Foundry didn't do the same, before they made the mold? Facts do matter, a replica should be a replica!!! -------------------------- "Live long, stay strong" - C.F.B. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldGuy Posted May 10, 2003 Share Posted May 10, 2003 The difference between 2.47 and 2 3/8'' diameter as far as circumference is concerned, is a hair under 3/10'' That is a lot for people of average size hands. Roark's 2.38'' was clearly a typo mixing fractions and decimals. Here is another typo ...... (versions are 2 and 2/8ths so...) We all do it so no need to get smart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazza Posted May 10, 2003 Share Posted May 10, 2003 Steve Were did the 2.2/8ths come from,the 4 i no of are all 2.3/8ths. Joe your constant search for EXACT data is like RW said,to be applauded,these things do make a difference,and will continue to do so ,especialy in years to come. The 4 UK inch Replicas were all cast from Thomas Inches Original mold Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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