zammer Posted May 19, 2009 Share Posted May 19, 2009 I was having a look at the list of those who have certified in the Monsters of mash, I believe I only saw maybe 2 guys who were under 200lb's that have been able to close it, and most guys seemed to be 220+ My question is does anyone know if the #3 has been closed by someone who is 170lb or less, any ideas? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Moyers Posted May 19, 2009 Share Posted May 19, 2009 Casey Emery is around 150lbs and has closed a #3. I'm sure there are plenty of others, but that is the only one I know off the top of my head. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zammer Posted May 19, 2009 Author Share Posted May 19, 2009 Casey Emery is around 150lbs and has closed a #3. I'm sure there are plenty of others, but that is the only one I know off the top of my head. Sorry guys I should have said Mash Monsters... #3 @ 150lbs! wow, now that is indeed impressive, thanks LiLMO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cberg Posted May 19, 2009 Share Posted May 19, 2009 I don't know what Derek Graybill weighs but he might be under 170. Like Adam said there's probably a few others too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cemery Posted May 19, 2009 Share Posted May 19, 2009 Thanks for the compliment amigos. I think Tommy Heslep is around 170lbs, and hasn't he closed the #4 ? I'm sure there are many more 170lb and under dudes on the mashmonster pyramid but Im not sure. Truth is, it helps your grip to posess a large amount of bulk and power, that is why I am training hard to gain mass. BUT, it is not totally necessary to be huge to reach your goals. Train with a obsession and any size person could surprise themself. Dont let size hold back your mental game, cause half of this grip stuff is mental. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cannon Posted May 19, 2009 Share Posted May 19, 2009 (edited) I typically weigh 155-165lbs. There are only 4-5 guys under 200lbs on the list and I think the current lightest is 182lbs Edited May 19, 2009 by Cannon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoC#3 Posted May 19, 2009 Share Posted May 19, 2009 Put on some size. It helps. Just by putting on good quality muscle, say 50lbs over 2 years, your grip will improve without any specialised training. Grip lifts that offer appear in competitions like the one hand deadlift, axle deadlift etc... are dependent on total body strength aswell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricMilfeld Posted May 19, 2009 Share Posted May 19, 2009 I weighed about 185 at 6 feet when I was finally successful with the MM1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zammer Posted May 19, 2009 Author Share Posted May 19, 2009 Well, its good to see that it is in fact possible for the lighter guys with smaller hands to make some impressive grips with the larger grippers.I def plan on coming up with a proper training regimen. My next question is, has there ever been any talk with regards to weight classes? If larger hands provide better leverage and thicker muscles/ tendons ( most usually seen on larger individuals ) would the closing of a #4 gripper by a 170lb individual not be a fair amount more impressive than the same gripper being closed by a 6"8 300lber? Believe me I'm not trying to stir anything up, or take anything away from anyones accomplishments, just askin some noob questions which are in part based on the fact that most strength sports have weight classes which pit equally sized people against one another, appreciate you're opinions on this, Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cemery Posted May 19, 2009 Share Posted May 19, 2009 A #4 closer is a #4 closer to me. It shows some seriouse hand strength and dedication regardless of size. Even big guys have to work their asses off to accomplish that one. Our comps are too small to incorperate weight classes for now, although a few comp have had weight classes. Eric's bending comp in September will have 2 weight classes, 200lbs and above and 200lbs and below. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cannon Posted May 19, 2009 Share Posted May 19, 2009 A #4 closer is a #4 closer to me. It shows some seriouse hand strength and dedication regardless of size. Even big guys have to work their asses off to accomplish that one. Here here! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teemu I Posted May 19, 2009 Share Posted May 19, 2009 More than weight, overall strength helps. It's 100% certain that if you get atleast 20% stronger with most common and basic barbell exercises, your base for grip strength development is much better even if you didn't gain a pound of weight. Just as an example, my bench is steadily improving now and it makes setting hard grippers easier and easier each week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DannyGrip Posted May 19, 2009 Share Posted May 19, 2009 (edited) I was having a look at the list of those who have certified in the Monsters of mash, I believe I only saw maybe 2 guys who were under 200lb's that have been able to close it, and most guys seemed to be 220+ My question is does anyone know if the #3 has been closed by someone who is 170lb or less, any ideas? In answer to your question, someone who weighs less than 200 lbs indeed has the potential to close any gripper. The size of the muscles involved here aren't HUGE - we talking about the muscles on the forearms & the muscles on the palms of your hands. On the #3 & #4 list you have people who wish they could squat 300 lbs or deadlift 500 lbs for example, but they possess enormous grip strength. If you look at the list of the #4 closers, Nathan Holle, Joe Kinney, and Tommy Heslep aren't huge guys. There was also I believe a Japanese guy who weighed in the 150's or so and was able to certify on the #3. Yes, being a huge fat monster w/ beefy hands does help initially in closing bigger grippers, but just because someone isn't a heavyweight doesn't mean they won't get certified. I'm actually 190 lbs w/ low body fat - currently closing #2.5 & will close the #3 in due time. So don't let nothing in the world stop you, especially bodyweight! Here's an image of my 190 lbs frame taken months ago. http://www.gripboard.com/index.php?autocom...si&img=8848 Edited May 19, 2009 by DannyGrip Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoC#3 Posted May 19, 2009 Share Posted May 19, 2009 Joe Kinney used to squat 300lbs for 20 reps before grip training. (see the ironmind book CoC grippers - what they are and how to close them) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Savage Posted May 19, 2009 Share Posted May 19, 2009 Well, its good to see that it is in fact possible for the lighter guys with smaller hands to make some impressive grips with the larger grippers.I def plan on coming up with a proper training regimen. My next question is, has there ever been any talk with regards to weight classes? If larger hands provide better leverage and thicker muscles/ tendons ( most usually seen on larger individuals ) would the closing of a #4 gripper by a 170lb individual not be a fair amount more impressive than the same gripper being closed by a 6"8 300lber? Believe me I'm not trying to stir anything up, or take anything away from anyones accomplishments, just askin some noob questions which are in part based on the fact that most strength sports have weight classes which pit equally sized people against one another, appreciate you're opinions on this, Thanks. A bigger handed guy does not have more leverage than a smaller handed guy when your talking of mash monster, it's the other way around - a smaller, more narrow hand has all 4 fingers near the end of the gripper, where as a bigger, wider hand will cover the whole gripper. This is like fingals fingers in strongman, the taller/longer arm guys have much more leverage than a shorter guy who cant reach as high on the finger. As far as weight classes and if it's more impressive for a smaller guy - personally the only way a lift or feat is more impressive or not to me is the range of motion and leverage e.g a 8 foot tall guy with relatively short arms doing a 700lb deadlift would be much more impressive than a 5 foot tall relatively long armed guy lifting the same weight. Personally i dont see any need for weight classes in grip as it's not the most important aspect an also nobody needs to stay at 170lb, they can always just get heavier, i used to be in the 170's myself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnus Posted May 19, 2009 Share Posted May 19, 2009 I don't know what Derek Graybill weighs but he might be under 170. Like Adam said there's probably a few others too I believe he was around 150 when he got his MM0. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoC#3 Posted May 19, 2009 Share Posted May 19, 2009 A bigger handed guy does not have more leverage than a smaller handed guy when your talking of mash monster, it's the other way around - a smaller, more narrow hand has all 4 fingers near the end of the gripper, where as a bigger, wider hand will cover the whole gripper. This is like fingals fingers in strongman, the taller/longer arm guys have much more leverage than a shorter guy who cant reach as high on the finger.As far as weight classes and if it's more impressive for a smaller guy - personally the only way a lift or feat is more impressive or not to me is the range of motion and leverage e.g a 8 foot tall guy with relatively short arms doing a 700lb deadlift would be much more impressive than a 5 foot tall relatively long armed guy lifting the same weight. Personally i dont see any need for weight classes in grip as it's not the most important aspect an also nobody needs to stay at 170lb, they can always just get heavier, i used to be in the 170's myself. True. Also, if you weigh 170, start eating. I went from 160 to 230 in a year when i first started training. Haven't been below 230 now for 4 years, and am at my heaviest now at around 275-280. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Knight Posted May 19, 2009 Share Posted May 19, 2009 A bigger handed guy does not have more leverage than a smaller handed guy when your talking of mash monster, it's the other way around - a smaller, more narrow hand has all 4 fingers near the end of the gripper, where as a bigger, wider hand will cover the whole gripper. This is like fingals fingers in strongman, the taller/longer arm guys have much more leverage than a shorter guy who cant reach as high on the finger. can of worms? .............. opened Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zammer Posted May 19, 2009 Author Share Posted May 19, 2009 (edited) I appreciate all your answers guys, helps me to understand the sport a little better,thanks Keith. Dannygrip.. tried having a look at the pic but even tho I'm logged in it said I didn't have permission. Edited May 19, 2009 by zammer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnus Posted May 19, 2009 Share Posted May 19, 2009 A bigger handed guy does not have more leverage than a smaller handed guy when your talking of mash monster, it's the other way around - a smaller, more narrow hand has all 4 fingers near the end of the gripper, where as a bigger, wider hand will cover the whole gripper. This is like fingals fingers in strongman, the taller/longer arm guys have much more leverage than a shorter guy who cant reach as high on the finger. can of worms? .............. opened ...and strewn about the room (but I do agree w/ Paul) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoC#3 Posted May 19, 2009 Share Posted May 19, 2009 small hand vs large hand - the grip forum version of the raw vs geared debate that comes up at least once a day on PL boards... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grippster Posted May 19, 2009 Share Posted May 19, 2009 A bigger handed guy does not have more leverage than a smaller handed guy when your talking of mash monster, it's the other way around - a smaller, more narrow hand has all 4 fingers near the end of the gripper, where as a bigger, wider hand will cover the whole gripper. This is like fingals fingers in strongman, the taller/longer arm guys have much more leverage than a shorter guy who cant reach as high on the finger.As far as weight classes and if it's more impressive for a smaller guy - personally the only way a lift or feat is more impressive or not to me is the range of motion and leverage e.g a 8 foot tall guy with relatively short arms doing a 700lb deadlift would be much more impressive than a 5 foot tall relatively long armed guy lifting the same weight. Personally i dont see any need for weight classes in grip as it's not the most important aspect an also nobody needs to stay at 170lb, they can always just get heavier, i used to be in the 170's myself. True. Also, if you weigh 170, start eating. I went from 160 to 230 in a year when i first started training. Haven't been below 230 now for 4 years, and am at my heaviest now at around 275-280. Wow, hold on. Is most of the weight muscle?!! I'd like to gain a bit of weight but I don't want a gut and even at 180lbs I probably start to get a gut by then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoC#3 Posted May 19, 2009 Share Posted May 19, 2009 Mostly muscle - i haven't got abs or anything though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DannyGrip Posted May 19, 2009 Share Posted May 19, 2009 (edited) It was set to "Private" - that's why the pictures didn't work. Try to see if it works now! Yes Teemu, I know about Joe Kinney making his own squat rack and have read about him squatting for 20 reps in both Milo and the CoC book. But Joe Kinney is no beast when it comes to weight training. I can squat, deadlift, and bench more than him - but that doesn't necessarily mean I have better potential than him on grip. That was the point I was making. I agree with what some have said about not staying at 170 lbs and gaining muscle which can always help in any aspect of training. Bulking up all over w/ lean muscle will definately have some effect on helping with grip training, as one will gain power and strength all over that can help. As far as gaining weight is concerned, it's all about what your personal goals are and how you'd like to be. If you gave me the option to be 40 lbs more now and stronger on every single lift as opposed to what I have now, which is six pack, great cardiovascular ability, etc. I would chose to stay with what I have now and just make gradual gains as I get more experienced on the training field. Some have goals of squatting enormous weight, some just want to be really cut-up and be able to run 5-8k in impressive time. http://www.gripboard.com/index.php?autocom...si&img=8848 Edited May 19, 2009 by DannyGrip Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zammer Posted May 19, 2009 Author Share Posted May 19, 2009 Pics worked fine now Danny thanks. You look to be in pretty good shape bro. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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