Bill Piche Posted November 12, 2002 Share Posted November 12, 2002 Richard and I had a chat today. He mentioned a grip feat I have thought of myself (it being harder). That is, picking up a 3 (for COC's) or whatever gripper from a table and with no set...closing it. The No-Set close. Who here has tried this and what have you closed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tou Posted November 13, 2002 Share Posted November 13, 2002 I can do it with my #1 and my shaved 309. Not even close on the BBM. It's like John Brookfield tip : gripper on a string. Very hard to do on a string. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terminator Posted November 13, 2002 Share Posted November 13, 2002 Bill, I've done this with either hand with many different #3's and Lemley's grippers. Anything below a #3 no problem. In fact, back before I came to the Gripboard this was how I closed grippers (no chalk either). Seems silly now but maybe it helped me in the long run. Kinda like breathing with a cork shoved up one nostril, sure feels great when you pull it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearcat 74 Posted November 13, 2002 Share Posted November 13, 2002 I've closed a 3 in that manner. It is very hard, and a very good training aid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSW Posted November 13, 2002 Share Posted November 13, 2002 I still don't really understand "setting". I just pick up my gripper and close it. OTOH, I am still 1/16" from closing my #2. It may be that my palm is large enough that my grippers are "self setting". It seems that people with smaller hands have a greater need to set the gripper. Robert Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldGuy Posted November 13, 2002 Share Posted November 13, 2002 I am the same way. My hands seem made to measure for the grippers. I do not have to make any adjustments or settings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Black Posted November 13, 2002 Share Posted November 13, 2002 I can close my #2 and below in this fashion. I can't currently close my #3 with setting it. But doubt that I could ever close it without. The handle spread on my #3 is the widest of all my grippers. I can barely get the first knuckle of my middle finger around the handle without setting it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terminator Posted November 13, 2002 Share Posted November 13, 2002 To make it even harder, don't even touch it with the off hand. No positioning whatsoever. Just pick it up with the hand you are going to close it with and close it. The list just got smaller. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonathan McMillan Posted November 13, 2002 Share Posted November 13, 2002 After reading the articles about modifying grippers this no setting type of training really makes sense. As you experienced guys know depending on how you set your hand depends on the leverage etc. I'm still waiting for my grippers to come in the mail Jon@han Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griparn Posted November 13, 2002 Share Posted November 13, 2002 Terminator, how close on the #4 are you? Closing a #3 without setting it is very impressive! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Piche Posted November 13, 2002 Author Share Posted November 13, 2002 To make it even harder, don't even touch it with the off hand. No positioning whatsoever. Just pick it up with the hand you are going to close it with and close it.The list just got smaller. Richard and I also discussed how hand size is a factor in this. If a guy or gal has so small a hand they can't get their first joint around it, forget closing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSW Posted November 13, 2002 Share Posted November 13, 2002 It seems to me that if you have a good sweep, you should be able to close the gripper without setting. Has all of this emphasis on the close, resulted in CoC's with poor sweeps? Setting vs. not setting looks a lot like the difference between a raw benchpress and one with a shirt. The shirt allows you to just train the lockout, since the shirt helps you at the bottom of the bench. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Black Posted November 13, 2002 Share Posted November 13, 2002 It seems to me that if you have a good sweep, you should be able to close the gripper without setting. Has all of this emphasis on the close, resulted in CoC's with poor sweeps? Setting vs. not setting looks a lot like the difference between a raw benchpress and one with a shirt. The shirt allows you to just train the lockout, since the shirt helps you at the bottom of the bench. I disagree RSW. Have you tried to close a gripper that you can't get your hand around? I have, so let me try to explain why it's so hard. For me at least. I will use my #3 as an example. The handle spread is so wide that I can barely get my first knuckle of my middle finger around it. In order to close that gripper without setting it, I would have to slide my fingers over the gripper handle as I closed it, thus being able to use my whole hand. Otherwise for the entire attempt I am really just using my finger tips alone. Which is more like pinching it closed. There is just no way you, or maybe just I, can slide your fingers on a gripper that requires that much force to close. Don't know if I explained that very well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mikael Siversson Posted November 13, 2002 Share Posted November 13, 2002 Setting vs not setting is more a question of hand size. Not very nice inferring that guys with small hands who has to set grippers are cheating. Its a bit like asking a child to pinch something that is 5 inches wide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mikael Siversson Posted November 13, 2002 Share Posted November 13, 2002 Yes you did Adam. Half of the times that I attempt to close a wide (and hard) #3, the attempts turn into a pinch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldGuy Posted November 13, 2002 Share Posted November 13, 2002 Everyone who trains with grippers soon finds out what is the hand position that is the most favorable, and that is to hold it low down on the handle with the little finger only half on the end of the handle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Black Posted November 13, 2002 Share Posted November 13, 2002 Small hands or big grippers. The difference in handle widths of just my IM grippers varies by up almost ½ an inch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldGuy Posted November 13, 2002 Share Posted November 13, 2002 Small hands or a wider than average handle spread comes to the same thing. you will need to set the gripper. The first 1/2'' offers little in the way of resistance, so once the gripper is set it should not be harder to close just because the handles are set a little wider. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Black Posted November 13, 2002 Share Posted November 13, 2002 Right, my point was that setting is necessary depending upon hand and gripper size. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnimalCage Posted November 15, 2002 Share Posted November 15, 2002 Mikael Siversson Posted on Nov. 14 2002,2:48-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Setting vs not setting is more a question of hand size. Not very nice inferring that guys with small hands who has to set grippers are cheating. Its a bit like asking a child to pinch something that is 5 inches wide. Dr. Mikael, With all due respect, here is a child pinching 2/3rds his bodyweight... Bob's Page Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mikael Siversson Posted November 15, 2002 Share Posted November 15, 2002 Well, I was not inferring that children can't pinch but rather that it would be difficult for them to pinch something very wide. That boy is NOT pinching a 5 inch wide implement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mac Posted November 15, 2002 Share Posted November 15, 2002 And he's certainly not pinching it 1-handed, which is also what we're talking about..... Nice photo though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurtis75 Posted November 18, 2002 Share Posted November 18, 2002 This sounded kinda neat so I had to run out in the garage and try it. I can close the #3 I certified with in this manner. Much harder than closing it with a set. Kurtis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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