naturalstrength Posted May 22, 2008 Share Posted May 22, 2008 Just started getting into doing one-handed deadlifts but I am still in the dark regarding certain aspects of this lift. Would appreciate any insight on the subject (ie: hook grip -vs- regular, thumbless, what's considered a good lift in terms of weight pulled on a standard olympic bar, front deadlift -vs- suitcase lift? -vs- between legs lift, etc.) I tried a forum search but couldn't find much on the topic Many Thanks! -Carl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Styles Posted May 22, 2008 Share Posted May 22, 2008 http://www.davidhorne-gripmaster.com/historyarticle7.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mobsterone Posted May 22, 2008 Share Posted May 22, 2008 Just started getting into doing one-handed deadlifts but I am still in the dark regarding certain aspects of this lift. Would appreciate any insight on the subject (ie: hook grip -vs- regular, thumbless, what's considered a good lift in terms of weight pulled on a standard olympic bar, front deadlift -vs- suitcase lift? -vs- between legs lift, etc.) I tried a forum search but couldn't find much on the topic Many Thanks! -Carl Check David Horne's site for rules and BHSA records (mostly mine). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bencrush Posted May 22, 2008 Share Posted May 22, 2008 If you're around 200 bodyweight I'd say bodyweight-225 is really good on the thumbless 1HDL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnus Posted May 22, 2008 Share Posted May 22, 2008 (edited) Here's an impressive one from my youtube-friend Delmole85: He has straps on, but still, doing that kind of weight in one arm is impressive. This guy also has a good grip. Check out his hg300 x 12 and card ripping vids, too. Edited May 22, 2008 by Magnus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naturalstrength Posted May 22, 2008 Author Share Posted May 22, 2008 Just found this on the internet. This seems pretty impressive to me, especially since he appears to be performing this lift during his "lunch break" http://weightlifting.moonfruit.com/#/onemore/4512354895 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnus Posted May 22, 2008 Share Posted May 22, 2008 Show-off Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antarath Posted May 22, 2008 Share Posted May 22, 2008 Nice lift by Theo (140 kg) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matthcarl Posted May 22, 2008 Share Posted May 22, 2008 My max DL is 405, and before I inured my hand I worked up to 275lbs one handed on a cambered bar (lifted in front, conventional style) and 245 on an Olympic bar, straddle style (At 210 lbs bw). I think as long as the legs are strong enough, it's just a matter of grip and practice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calibre Posted May 23, 2008 Share Posted May 23, 2008 Hook grip makes a big difference of course. I made 105kg but failed 110kg without hook grip. After that I did 150kg fairly easy with hook grip. It just hurt my thumb but it wasn't a hard lift. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unequipped Posted May 23, 2008 Share Posted May 23, 2008 (edited) please dont mix "no-hook-grip" and "with hook-grip" 1 HDL with straps is not a grip-feat. every powerlifter or weightlifter can do this. Edited May 23, 2008 by unequipped Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rolf Posted May 23, 2008 Share Posted May 23, 2008 Powerlifting bar vs. weightlifting bar makes a big difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florian Kellersmann Posted May 23, 2008 Share Posted May 23, 2008 Powerlifting bar vs. weightlifting bar makes a big difference. Why, can you explain that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mobsterone Posted May 23, 2008 Share Posted May 23, 2008 One flexes a little the other does not. Some 'strong' old timers were a little naughty because they used bars which were bent or cambered. The more it bends the easier to balance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnus Posted May 23, 2008 Share Posted May 23, 2008 Ironmind still sells bars like that, I believe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoC#3 Posted May 23, 2008 Share Posted May 23, 2008 One flexes a little the other does not. Some 'strong' old timers were a little naughty because they used bars which were bent or cambered. The more it bends the easier to balance. It makes a big difference. With a slightly bent bar i have done 180kg. On a freely spinning bar a lot less. Ironmind still sells bars like that, I believe. Yep. Search for 'cambered bars'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hab34buy Posted May 23, 2008 Share Posted May 23, 2008 (edited) One flexes a little the other does not. Is it the powerlifting bar that flexes? I haven't used one, so I don't know Edited May 23, 2008 by jw7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin_Arildsson Posted May 23, 2008 Share Posted May 23, 2008 One flexes a little the other does not. Is it the powerlifting bar that flexes? I haven't used one, so I don't know Depends what kind of bars that are used, but in general PL bars are stiffer then OL bars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mobsterone Posted May 23, 2008 Share Posted May 23, 2008 One flexes a little the other does not. Is it the powerlifting bar that flexes? I haven't used one, so I don't know No. Olympic lifting is dynamic so they like a bar that flexes. Where as powerlifting is far slower so they prefer a bar that does not whip around or flex. Others have mentioned 'free spinning' bars and the top quality models have very slick and smooth bearings which make the bar want to roll out of your hand. I've always trained on Olympic bars and if there were several to choose from used the one that spun the most. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rolf Posted May 23, 2008 Share Posted May 23, 2008 Powerlifting bar vs. weightlifting bar makes a big difference. Why, can you explain that? The center knurling is much smoother on a weightlifting bar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mobsterone Posted May 23, 2008 Share Posted May 23, 2008 Err no. Knurling depth has more to do with the hardness of the steel. There are some great articles on steel quality use in lifting bars on the Ivanko site. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rolf Posted May 23, 2008 Share Posted May 23, 2008 (edited) Err no. Knurling depth has more to do with the hardness of the steel. What? Weightlifting bars have smoother knurling in the center than powerlifting bars. I don't care what causes it, it's a fact. IIRC, there was no center knurling on weightlifting bars at one point. You don't want rough knurling tearing your throat open in the clean, whereas you don't want a smooth bar sliding down your back in the squat. We're talking Eleiko and other quality bars here, not some shady "weight lifting" bars. Edited May 23, 2008 by rolf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lifesnotfair Posted May 23, 2008 Share Posted May 23, 2008 I hope one day I'm strong enough to worry about the bar bending from all the weight I put on it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rolf Posted May 23, 2008 Share Posted May 23, 2008 I hope one day I'm strong enough to worry about the bar bending from all the weight I put on it A weightlifting bar starts bending at around 100 kg already, so that day it shouldn't be too far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mobsterone Posted May 23, 2008 Share Posted May 23, 2008 Err no. Knurling depth has more to do with the hardness of the steel. What? Weightlifting bars have smoother knurling in the center than powerlifting bars. I don't care what causes it, it's a fact. IIRC, there was no center knurling on weightlifting bars at one point. You don't want rough knurling tearing your throat open in the clean, whereas you don't want a smooth bar sliding down your back in the squat. We're talking Eleiko and other quality bars here, not some shady "weight lifting" bars. Pull your neck back in. You say you don't care what causes it yet then go on to state it's a fact. Indeed while coming across all like you disagree every single point you make then reinforces what I said. Especially the quoted bit. Quality bars are made of better steel. Better steel can flex and still be harder to push a knurling tool into. Better quality bars can have knurl in the centre or not. That's something which can be added. We have, for example, a 450-kilo and 700-kilo rated bars in our gym. The thinner, softer more flexible bar (450) had centre knurling. Both bars are Olympic bars not powerlifting so that in and of itself proves that you're wrong in thinking only certain types (Olympic only) have it. Another example are powerlifting bars used for deadlifts only (it'd rip the shins more than they already get) do not have it but those used for squatting (grip for the neck) and benching (for spotters) do. What you are saying does not completely oppose my point. I say harder steel is harder to knurl - correct. Not 'what?'. You say that it is deliberately shallow on 'quality' Olympic bars for the reason you state. Now can you do more than me? Or are we gonna debate semantics over effort in the gym? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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