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I stopped at Fastenal today @ lunch and walked away with a bag of Triangle bag Grade 8's and a 3' long piece of 3/8 brass to make Golden Bastards out of.

I cut a 7" piece of the brass and went to work. Sweep was a tad easier than a regular bastard... the sweep and crush were harder in my opinion. The thick brass seems to really ramp up and become springy near the end. Took me about 20 minutes, definitely my hardest bend to date. Anyone else want to weigh in on this?

I bought the Grade 8's... 6", 1/4" to compare to the American one's I've gotten before. I hear they are a bit harder.

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How much were the G8's? Do you happen to know how much the G2's are? Bought by the pound?

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How much were the G8's? Do you happen to know how much the G2's are? Bought by the pound?

I paid $11 for 25... cheaper than online... I buy g5's for 5 cents a piece online...

http://www.allensfasteners.com/search_resu...p;btnSearch.y=6

1/4-28...

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I've bent a couple of the FBBC golden bastards. For my cert bend, I took it under 3" in a few seconds...and then spend another four minutes getting it to 2". The brass definitely ramps up. I can get the 6.5" well past 90, but haven't been able to finish it at all.

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I got a 3 foot piece of brass from fastenal and can barely kink it at 7 inches.Cost me like 28 bucks.Not sure what grade it is but its hard !! Or maybe my kink is real weak at 7 inches ???

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I got a 3 foot piece of brass from fastenal and can barely kink it at 7 inches.Cost me like 28 bucks.Not sure what grade it is but its hard !! Or maybe my kink is real weak at 7 inches ???

We probably got the same one... They don't grade brass like steel....

The lady was giving me some kind of discount after I talked to her for a bit. At first I kept quiet....

"What kind of project are you doing?"

"Oh it's for personal use."

"Really, grade 8 bolts are pretty strong."

"Actually I'm buying them to bend.... My friend Tim is making a giant raven out of steel he bends with his hands.....

<Insert Discount here>

Ha...

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Good stuff. The Fastenal Brass is labeled "360." And like you found out it's incredibly expensive.

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They do have different grades on there site so i must of got a harder one i guess.........

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They do have different grades on there site so i must of got a harder one i guess.........

Hmmm.... most places will offer you free cutting brass 36000.... (360)

http://www.matweb.com/search/DataSheet.aspx?MatID=11238

One interesting thing I found is that it has a very low tensile strengh (18000 - 45000 psi) compared to Grade 5 and 8 bolts (120,000 - 180,000)...

The high tensile strength is what makes the high graded bolts very springy during the crush. I wouldn't expect the brass to have such a spring to it, so

I consulted with some mechanical engineers at my job (I'm an electrical), and the thicker diameter will make it seem springy from our perspective.

Either way.... Keep on it and it will fall....

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Awesome stuff man, sorry I didn't get to respond earlier. I guess I am a bit jealous too, my unbraced bending has been stalled for a little while now it seems. I would like to give it a try sometime though. Do you think you might be able to get it in under 5 minutes soon? We can try and video it if you want next time.

I know this is unrelated but I went rock climbing with the airdevil today, he was doing routes with no feet, all upperbody and grip strength that I could not finish using everything I've got. Crazy stuff, he is like a spider monkey, insane grip strength for that for sure.

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I know this is unrelated but I went rock climbing with the airdevil today, he was doing routes with no feet, all upperbody and grip strength that I could not finish using everything I've got. Crazy stuff, he is like a spider monkey, insane grip strength for that for sure.

Airdevil - What are you climbing at? 5.? Once upon a time I was pretty good at climbing for my weight (172lbs at the time) my best was a 3 pitch 5.11c in the Witchita Mountains OK. "Space Balls" the crux was the last move on the third pitch (overhung) I was cleaning the route - Craig Blankenship lead. :cool

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I know this is unrelated but I went rock climbing with the airdevil today, he was doing routes with no feet, all upperbody and grip strength that I could not finish using everything I've got. Crazy stuff, he is like a spider monkey, insane grip strength for that for sure.

Airdevil - What are you climbing at? 5.? Once upon a time I was pretty good at climbing for my weight (172lbs at the time) my best was a 3 pitch 5.11c in the Witchita Mountains OK. "Space Balls" the crux was the last move on the third pitch (overhung) I was cleaning the route - Craig Blankenship lead. :cool

Wow i understand none of this haha

btw cool bend, i wanan try some brass some time.

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Paul...

I don't do a lot of roped climbing... when I do get on I'm a 5.11/12 climber... I do a lot more bouldering outside. I prefer the short, powerful style to the longer, endurance roped climbing. I'm a pretty consistent V5/V6 climber with the occasional V7. 180lbs.... 6'3".... Definitly see big carry overs in supporting grip from climbing... i.e. Rolling Thunder lifts...

Kevin,

I bought 80 decks of used casino cards from a guy on ebay. They are real tough plastic and I can only get a little over a half deck right now. I've been concentrating on grippers lately, less than a mm from my 2.5....

TK,

I'm sure you'll have the Golden Bastard down... not as hard as the shiny's I have....

Tim,

You are a machine. Well done on your first climbing episode.

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A machine eh? If you mean I looked like I was made of a heavy metal trying to lug myself around compared to you guys then I guess so. Man I am surprisingly sore today. My forearms and fingers and surprsingly my abs and obliques very much so, I didn't even feel I was using that allot.

I love that story about the discount, I had to read that to my girlfriend. I am pretty sure that is one of the first times someone has ever gotten any kind of break from being freinds with me.

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Nice Job on the Brass it is challenging!!! :mosher:mosher:mosher

Brendan

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Just as a point of interest, I bent a piece of the fastenal brass Jim (Bossie308) sent me. Insanely hard compared to the Golden. Here's the video of my golden cert. It's long and dull, but you can see how fast I kink it in the beginning: Golden Cert

And here is my failed attempt on the fastenal stuff. Not only could I not crush it down, I fight for every bit of what I got: Fastenal Brass Attempt

I don't have any calipers, but on a close inspection, the fastenal stuff looks a hair thicker. I'd be interested to see if there is variation in what is sold as 3/8" stock.

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Just as a point of interest, I bent a piece of the fastenal brass Jim (Bossie308) sent me. Insanely hard compared to the Golden. Here's the video of my golden cert. It's long and dull, but you can see how fast I kink it in the beginning: Golden Cert

And here is my failed attempt on the fastenal stuff. Not only could I not crush it down, I fight for every bit of what I got: Fastenal Brass Attempt

I don't have any calipers, but on a close inspection, the fastenal stuff looks a hair thicker. I'd be interested to see if there is variation in what is sold as 3/8" stock.

Interesting Matt, because I've done a 5" piece of the Fastenal 3/8" Brass and a few Mag Goldens too. I couldn't really tell the difference but they were all pretty "on" days so it's hard to tell on those.

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I was wondering if I was just having an off day when I did the Fastenal brass....so I tried one of my leftover goldens right afterwards and it kinked with much less effort.

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