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No idea what the ratings are on a G8, but I gave up on worrying about the ratings for steel bending when I realized that they don't necessarily translate well from one piece to another when you're a DU bender. Before I'd bent a G8, I'd looked at the charts and said "Wow, I made that short G5, which means there's no way I can't make a G8 because the chart said it was way tougher!" Turns out I was dead wrong on that one, and it kicked my ego pretty good back at the time. Now it is all just a matter of looking at each new piece/length as a challenge because I found out just how different a weaker 5" piece is from a longer 6-7" piece of something that's supposed to be only a little bit harder :D

VeGripper

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Lyle its about 235k to bend, times it by 2.2 and you get the .lbs

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Lyle its about 235k to bend, times it by 2.2 and you get the .lbs

That would make it harder than a red nail, are you sure?

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yeah that sounds a little off, I was just looking to compare a 5.5" G5 to a 6" G8 VeGripper I think you could help me with this?

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look at davidhorns challenge thread, i got it from there.

and he nows his stuff so i aint gonna argue about it.

not to seem mad or any thing

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That's the rating for snapping the bar not bending it into a U according to what I read in the Challange bar post.

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no thats for bending it, in big steves dvd it says it also.

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it also says in that post that a blue nail is 200k

but we all know a blue is 260lbs not 440lbs

i think david has a different rating system. or something.

i dont know tho i know nothing about the challenge bars

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ok, i am just going off what i heard or saw.

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Lyle,

If you're looking for the comparison from a 5.5" G8 to a 6" G8, I didn't find that much of a difference between them in the initial DU kink (slightly more difficult), but obviously the crushdown was a bit harder, maybe 10% or so. I feel that if you can crush down a 6" G8 without failing a 5.5" isn't too much worse!

VeGripper

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Lyle,

If you're looking for the comparison from a 5.5" G8 to a 6" G8, I didn't find that much of a difference between them in the initial DU kink (slightly more difficult), but obviously the crushdown was a bit harder, maybe 10% or so.  I feel that if you can crush down a 6" G8 without failing a 5.5" isn't too much worse!

VeGripper

he said (5.5" G5 to a 6" G8 ) not sure if u just made a typo

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Whoops! My mistake....

I'd put it closer to a 5" G5 being more like a 6" G8, or very close to it. 5.5" is still a fair amount easier than a 6" G8. It definitely takes a bit more work until you start getting short on those G5s in the 5" range, so perhaps that's a closer comparison for difficulty.

Then again, if you're like me and suck at 5" or shorter bars, a 6" G8 is easier than the 5" G5! Thats why I say, even if the supposed yield strength is greater on a shorter bar than the next level of toughness in a longer piece, it is a tough comparison to make unless you handle all lengths with equal ability!

VeGripper

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Thanks VeGripper, tonight I suprized myself and knocked off a 6" G8 in about 20sec using DO and then did two 5.25" G5's in about the same time, however now I'm faced with a new problem, while I've been humbled by a RED "only a few degree bend, just enough to make it wobble when rolled" I find 7" is a lenght that feels very awkward to me. For example I can knock off a 6" 5/16HRS easier than the same piece at 7" ?!

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Lyle,

Looks like we're in the same boat on this one - 7" feels weird to to me, where 6" is the comfortable length where I get my best bends. That little size difference really affects performance, and from what I can tell, the best way to get past it is to just keep working those longer pieces and it'll come in time. I just stocked up with a load of 6" to 7" FB 1/4" square stock, and I'll be working on those until they're a piece of cake. Then it'll finally be time to attack the red again once I don't feel awkward working on longer pieces!

VeGripper

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how does 1/4" square stock compare to 1/4" round stock and 5/16" round stock? just outta curiousity (sorrya bout going off topic)

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not off topic at all, from what I know a square piece is just below the next round size up, so 1/4 square CRS would be about 80-90% of 5/16 round CRS, anyone who had more info please feel free to correct me?

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