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By all of your records who is the strongest pound for pound man to ever live? I know this has been asked and theorized on for ages, but by actual facts who is? I am talking all around from gripping, odd lifts, powerlifts, o-lifts to repetition contests to pushups and situps.

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Jeff,

Off the top of my head I would say Joe Roark. But knowing

the battle to be brought by such a statement...

I don't know the answer to your question, Jeff- have not

studied the matter in those terms, and trust me when I

predict that if I did have an answer it would bring on almost

as much dissent as my opening paragraph.

Which hurts me deeply.

Joe

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David Horne should be able to help out with that one... it will be interestinng to see what people recon.  Small oly lifters like Suleymanoglu must take some beating

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I don't think that could be answered. People would argue for Arthur Saxon because of his bent press, but how would he have done on a flat-footed squat? Some might say Ed Coan is the strongest pound for pound, but he doesn't have the grip to be strong all over. I think that you's have to pick a bunch of lifts & say 'who was the strongest pound for pound on the press?' & stuff like that.

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I think it's one of those questions that is designed to lead to endless debate and discussion. Like you said Nathan, it just depends on what lifts you're talkign about, and what aspects.

But then again you also have to argue what is strength? Some would say a 600 lb bench is impressive, and it is, but then if the lifter can't pinch 2 45's or close the #3 COC, others say hes not that strong.  In my opinion the Strongman contests come closest to giving a picture of overall strength from an athlete, but in their current format, only for the superheavy athletes.

Maybe a list of lifts to be done at set weights and others at % of bodyweight could be determined to help see who really is the strongest.

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In the 1920s the British Amateur Wl Assoc would decide

which lifts would be contested for the next year or so,

thus everyone, assuming a basic 'core' strength level

could practice for the upcoming contests.

This of course followed the older times when two men

lifted against each other and each was allowed a certain

number of lift choices. Of course, each man selected what

he was best at, or better suited for.

Imagine a contest where Saxon was not allowed the bent press, or Cyr was forced to include a bent press.

If the question is fined-tuned mentioning certain lifts then

it becomes a matter of records, but how much import a

bench press should have over a squat, or closing a hard

gripper should have over pinch gripping etc., muddles the

issue into each of us showing a bias.

It's like asking who is the fastest runner in the world? In

which length race? Nonetheless it is an appropriate question

that makes us think, and at least categorize who was good in which lifts. So, if a lifter's ability in every known lift was

recorded we could more easily compare, but even at that

the original question of pound for pound confuses the issue.

Does bodyweight matter on closing a 500ip gripper? Has anyone in a wheelchair (at implied lighter bodyweight) closed

one?

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Guest Jeff Roark

I thought this would be a most confusing question. I wondered about this after watching re-runs of the WSM contests yesterday when they were doing the legends spill about Kaz. A few of those guys said he was most definately the strongest man to ever live. I see it...then again I don't.

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Years ago in Peoria, Illinois, Paul Anderson's main-man-fan

asked did I agree that Paul was the strongest man that has ever lived. I asked 'In which lift', he replied, 'In ANY lift'. Then,

I said, no, because his hand strength was not in the elite

category. Then main-man-fan told me that hand strength

did not matter.

Hey Wannagrip, close down this board today!

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Those WSM re-runs are great, aren't they? Kaz sure was strong in his day (still is strong too). Sigmarsson was also great, and ver Magnusson. Anyone to repeat in WSM is a monster. As for being the strongest ever, though... that is tough isn't it? Like everyone said, there are just too many categories. WSM guys are usually well rounded. Heavyweight Olympic lifters put immense amounts of weight overhead (imagine 578 lbs over your head), and deep squat some really big numbers too. Basque stonelifters do things that don't seem possible, like shouldering 600+ lb stones for reps. The cool thing is that all these super strong guys have to have good grip strength to perform these feats. Ed Coan may not be a gripper king but I would bet he could do some brutal deadlift lockouts.

Since we can't think of someone who is or was "strongest", is there anyone in strength history that didn't have any apparent "weak areas"?

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When thinking about it... Mr. All Around had to be John Grimek. He had grip strength, was an O-lifter, bodybuilder and from old stories great endurance and great skill at balancing, gymnastics and calestenics. I would say he is the man.

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I have been around Ed coan a number of times and watched him compete at 165lb class and up.He is a powerlifters powerlifter! AT my first meeting with him Larry Pacifico another legend in powerlifting came up to me out of the clear blue and said I have the man to shut that gripper (ole 527) of yours...... and after trys that day by Ted Arcidi, Ken Lain and Anthony Clark (all 700 plus benchers) only Mr. Coan gave it a "good ride" down to 3/4 of an inch. His hands are VERY stong and much larger than mine.A man mountain of some years ago John Gamble while in Terry Todd and my presence pushed the old three down to about 3/8 and in my mind is the best attempt I can personally recall another guy doing on that gripper..........

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I can't tell you WHO is the strongest man ever (pound-for-pound), but I can tell you who it is TODAY.

According to Ripley's Believe It Or Not.... it's Dennis Rogers.

Yeah, believe it or not!!  ???  ???

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Guest liquidtheorems

Just as an all around strong man I'd have to say Joka Ahola<sp> He is a small man compared to the other competitors and he makes those events in WSM look real easy.

Bob

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While messing around the 'net, I found this site.  Not very accurate, but the writer does provide some good data:

http://www.abcs.com/kraut/strong.htm

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Two quick items . First is it not true that the Millenium dumbell 228lb which I think has the same handle size as the Inch bell has been lifted?That is a whopping 46 pounds MORE than the Inch......WOW! Also, a fellow called today and said he bought a 2.5 inch handled BAR from PDA and deadlifts it for sets of 3 AND presses it when loaded to 200.Love to see that!As Mr. Strossen said I guess the new guys are soooooo much better..........

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Wait a sec here. 200lbs and presses it with one hand. 2.5 inch handle?  For THREE reps deadlifting it too?

Richard, quit calling the San Diego Zoo and talking to George the Gorilla!

:hehe  :hehe  :hehe

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My son Bert told him to get pictures or a video! Also,there was a photo of a fellow lifting the Millenium bell 228lb on the Grip Page gallery... Mr. Mob was that an error?

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Unless you were talking to Andre the Giant (God rest his soul), I'd say that guy got the wrong type of mushrooms on his pizza.  Or he belongs in the Liar's club. :crazy

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In a way... He's lifting it with two hands and the challenge is one handed. I mean if thats the case I've done it dozens of times :)

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i don't know snott... i have a hard time believing anything on that site after the posted totals for kovacs. i know that we should just each piece of info on its own, but anyone that belives those claims of kovacs and especialy that he could beat the russians at oly lifting anytime he wanted to has got to be more than a little gullible!@! i mean- claims on kovacs seem to sugest that he could beat any lift specialist (bench, dead, squat as well as oly lifts) any pro bodybuilder (dispite his apparent inability to complete a single contest) and any strongman (strongman is too dangerous that's the only reason he dosn't)..

sorry to get on a soapbox but these type of claims offend everyone who has worked hard to get where they are in these sports...

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AP,

Again.... speak the truth, my brother!!  I printed that page out on my computer printer just so I could get a better read of it.  Pure garbage.  First off, the guy (whoever wrote that piece of crap article) is SO impressed with bench pressing and whether or not some dude has "short arms" or not.  WHAT?  That and he gives the powerlifters and benchers more credit than strongmen like Kaz and Paul Anderson.... only briefly mentioning them.  And he doesn't even mention Saxon or Sandow or some of the others.  Bench pressing is NOT the end-all-be-all by any means!!!..... however, this guy thinks it is.  What a moron.   :hehe

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