Dude Posted March 21, 2005 Share Posted March 21, 2005 How much would you say is left in the last 1/2 of the #3? Like roughly how many pounds of the gripper are in this last bit, or the difficulty in this last 1/2 inch? That's what I can get it to but that last part seems like a big hurdle to overcome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bencrush Posted March 21, 2005 Share Posted March 21, 2005 I have no idea of what the poundage is. But the last part is the part where most people have their trouble. Otherwise we wouldn't routinely see people sweep a #3 to parallel and then hit a brick wall. I would say the majority of the difficulty comes in the last 1/2" or so on the #3. As with almost every other gripper on the planet. Put it in a choker and demystify the close. That's worth repeating to yourself. Many times. Put it in a choker and work on closing it from parallel handles. Then go on to wider attempts. First beat the close. Then you've begun to beat the gripper. Even if you put it in a choker and cheat it closed with the other hand, fight for a negative just to feel the pressure it exerts against the hand. And enjoy the pain. It will be your friend when others come and go. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GatorGrip Posted March 21, 2005 Share Posted March 21, 2005 I believe that last 1/2 inch is refered to as the hard part. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Posted March 21, 2005 Share Posted March 21, 2005 From what I have read on the net every quarter inch on the 3 is equal to about 25 pounds. Assuming a 3 that closes at 280 pounds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pdoire Posted March 21, 2005 Share Posted March 21, 2005 The resistance is on a progressive curve. As we get closer to closing it the harder it is doe to the compression of the spring. So the last 1 /4 " is way harder than say the first 1/4". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dude Posted March 21, 2005 Author Share Posted March 21, 2005 Yea I remember when I first got it I choked it down to parallel. Couldn't move it, the thing felt like a freaking piece of pavement. But that was when I could do the #2 for 1 and now I can get an easy 10. I think if I had a more powerful sweep I could get even closer. How do you guys work on the intensity of sweep, just overcrushes and being intense when doing the gripper? Also, I see sometimes people use those large washers to choke the grippers down. Can you tell me what size those are? Or what the diameter on the inside they are? Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mooinabc1 Posted March 21, 2005 Share Posted March 21, 2005 Hi Dude. I/2 inch to close is 1/16 of inch each weeks= 8 weeks or less. Providing you are doing partial negative with the the next gripper up. Use thumb ruler and make down 1/16 at a time. Its very easy to make. Use bandaid and make 1/16 at a time. Its a plan without a plan you get confused and wasting time and this way you can measure your progress. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sybersnott Posted March 22, 2005 Share Posted March 22, 2005 I think if I had a more powerful sweep I could get even closer. How do you guys work on the intensity of sweep, just overcrushes and being intense when doing the gripper? ← The sweep is the beginning of the gripper movement NOT the end. You work on it by doing no sets, TNS's and cheat closes fighting it out all the way... things like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dude Posted March 22, 2005 Author Share Posted March 22, 2005 Yea I figured a fast and hard sweep would help "jump" past the last bit to full shut. I tried Brookfield's "Gripper On A String" workout and man thats hard, if someone could do that with a #3 then they have some remarkable "grab and grip" strength as I would dub it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sybersnott Posted March 22, 2005 Share Posted March 22, 2005 Yea I figured a fast and hard sweep would help "jump" past the last bit to full shut. ← Try working with a gripper that's hard BUT you can either close with some difficulty or come close to closing. Then, cheat it shut and hold it for as long as possible. As the gripper starts to open up again DON'T LET IT... fight it out, actually, fight to try to close it again! Fight it!! Once you can't and it opens up again fully - switch hands and work the other hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedy Posted March 24, 2005 Share Posted March 24, 2005 Just keep doing negatives with something above what you are training for, and your progression will take place faster than you expected. Granted I haven't touched my #2 in awhile but I am now on 278lbs on the Ivanko. The last time I squeezed the #2 it was with complete ease; I am waiting till I hit 300lbs on the Ivanko before I try my #3 again as well as my HG300. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gluteus Maximus Posted March 25, 2005 Share Posted March 25, 2005 Is there a gripper that fits between a PDA262 and a IM#3? How about the .275 BB SuperMaster? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tspinillo Posted March 25, 2005 Share Posted March 25, 2005 Is there a gripper that fits between a PDA262 and a IM#3? How about the .275 BB SuperMaster? ← That will work. T! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAMMERXT Posted March 25, 2005 Share Posted March 25, 2005 How much would you say is left in the last 1/2 of the #3? Like roughly how many pounds of the gripper are in this last bit, or the difficulty in this last 1/2 inch? That's what I can get it to but that last part seems like a big hurdle to overcome. ← ALL..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zevich Posted March 25, 2005 Share Posted March 25, 2005 If you could use the analogy of a 500 mile road trip the last half inch is about 460 miles to go. At least it is in my mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gluteus Maximus Posted March 26, 2005 Share Posted March 26, 2005 Yea I figured a fast and hard sweep would help "jump" past the last bit to full shut. I tried Brookfield's "Gripper On A String" workout and man thats hard, if someone could do that with a #3 then they have some remarkable "grab and grip" strength as I would dub it. ← Dude Sybersnot's advice really helped me. Just go for it now. This may sound strange, but don't take the #3 so seriously- in your mind. Ten reps with a #2, I think, is enough to just get the #3 over with and move on down the road. Go there. Someone had a thread about waiting 3-5 minutes between sets of intensity, and I think it makes a big difference too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gluteus Maximus Posted March 26, 2005 Share Posted March 26, 2005 tspinillo Much thanks for the advice, but last night I got angry and decided to just squeeze the thing within a hairs breath of salvation (steadied), before pushing back to @half a cm. There can be no going back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sybersnott Posted March 27, 2005 Share Posted March 27, 2005 Much thanks for the advice, but last night I got angry and decided to just squeeze the thing within a hairs breath of salvation (steadied)... ← Anger, when properly channeled, can be of great benefit. Especially on the grippers. Remember this: the gripper is NOT YOUR FRIEND. It doesn't care whether or not you can close it. And it doesn't care whether or not you get stronger (or weaker). Some of the best gripper workouts I've ever had came from the fact I wanted to kill the gripper. I would chest crush it, two-hand negative close it, cheat it shut using whatever method I could find and then muster all my power to try to keep it closed or near closed as possible. DON'T WORK WITH A GRIPPER YOU CAN MASTER. Work with one that is slightly beyond your mastery. Throw everything into trying to close it! And one more thing... don't worry about undue pressure on your hands. That's what you want. You WANT that incredible pressure on your hands! O.K., class is over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gluteus Maximus Posted March 27, 2005 Share Posted March 27, 2005 (edited) Hell yes. That is all I needed to hear. Edited March 27, 2005 by Gluteus Maximus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sybersnott Posted March 27, 2005 Share Posted March 27, 2005 Hell yes. That is all I needed to hear. ← Glad I can be of some service! Anything else, don't be afraid to ask - that's why we're here!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nagual Posted March 28, 2005 Share Posted March 28, 2005 Here's another tip I'm sure is mentioned elsewhere on the board. When you are getting to that last inch or less, try cheat (chest) closing the gripper and holding it shut with just enough pressure/help from the other hand. Gauge this by letting the gripper open just slightly, and adjust. Do this as often as you can to make sure you are not helping too much with the other hand. This should result in a series of "mini-clicks". Do this for as long as you find productive, usually within the 10-20 second range. I find that this is a great complement to regular negatives, and a good morale booster (it's almost as if you have closed the gripper already ). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3djim Posted March 28, 2005 Share Posted March 28, 2005 You can get a good idea about how much extra force is necessary to close a gripper for a given "last handle spread increment", say 1/2", by estimating: 1) f1 = force to close using a hypothetical " target" spread, say 3.1" for the #3 2) f2 = force to close using a handle spread of 2.6" 3) subtracting: deltaF = f1 - f2 Torsion spring theory says FTC is approximately proportional to sweep angle (and thus handle spread), so we should expect deltaF to be approximately constant. For the CoC#3, assume hypothetical values for the gripper parameters to be: Handle spread = 3.1" Depth (handle "set" along wire leg from coil center) = .74" Handle length = 3.75" Handle diameter = .75" Wire diameter = .283" Coil inside diameter = .9" These assumed values give an approximate FTC of ~ 285lbs, which is what we know as the CoC target. The above parameters are only reasonably assumed and close to actual measured values on a #3 I once owned. I do not know exactly what the manufacturing values are. However, the above values are close enough for the following experiment. I ran the numbers and got the following values, keeping all the parameters constant except handle spread: Handle Spread FTC deltaF 3.1" 285 2.6" 235 50 2.1" 188 47 1.6" 141 47 1.1" 96 45 0.6" 52 44 The deltaF values are nearly constant and supports theory. So, to give my opinion for an answer to Dude: The last 1/2" might require you to develop your crushing strength by another 50lbs at the crushing angle of your hand for this stage. This is almost the same as crushing the first 1/2" on a 3.1" spread gripper, HOWEVER that extra 50lbs will feel like a ton since you are starting at 235lbs! Also, hand angles between bones are different for starting and finsishing stages, so a "feel test" might be deceptive. Recall, perhaps, how hard it was to get that extra 50lbs bench press from an already tough current max. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mooinabc1 Posted March 28, 2005 Share Posted March 28, 2005 To conpensanate the force variance potential energy is great at the 1/2 and creating by pi x force=potentenial spike. To create a spike potential similiar to defeat the last 1/2. potential evergy +5 x potentail energy of 30 pounds. 5/30x1/1=6 times the force necessary to defeat the last 1/2. however decrease or deflect the energy spike with another small force of 5 pounds then minus30-5=25 Defecting the potentail envergy with another potentail creating a negative spike of the potentail of the #3 gripper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cubanbee Posted March 28, 2005 Share Posted March 28, 2005 Huh? whatever that means. I just know that it's harder. Crunch all the numbers you want, in the end either you can close it or you can't. my .02 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mooinabc1 Posted March 28, 2005 Share Posted March 28, 2005 Huh? whatever that means. I just know that it's harder. Crunch all the numbers you want, in the end either you can close it or you can't.my .02 ← Iam close I can do the BBSM which is modified with the J.A.G on that is a poundage of 255+7=262 pounders, slowly increase the wieght over time little by little. 262 pound force minus 280=18 pound left to go. Simple math. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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