Bill Piche Posted September 17, 2004 Share Posted September 17, 2004 What does everyone think about that idea? If you want to discuss bending versus folding, you do it in the sub-forum. Otherwise, any post or posts will immediately get MOVED there. If you want to fight, be disrespectful to others, or in fact debate gracefully, you did it there for ALL to see. BUT, NO POSTS on this topic will reside in the main bending forum OR elsewhere on these forums. And, bending versus folding ONLY topics in that sub-forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Styles Posted September 17, 2004 Share Posted September 17, 2004 Please do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedd Johnson Posted September 17, 2004 Share Posted September 17, 2004 What about arguments regarding the use of towels and padding to help with bending? Just depends what direction they are heading I guess? Good idea bro. That's why you are in charge of this place. -Jedd- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Piche Posted September 17, 2004 Author Share Posted September 17, 2004 Good point. Let's make it the "Bending Debates" forum? All perceived arguments and debates on bending go there. Or, get moved there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the swiss Posted September 17, 2004 Share Posted September 17, 2004 yes, a bending debates forum seems a better idea. Or maybe just a debates forum? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jad Posted September 17, 2004 Share Posted September 17, 2004 Sounds like a GREAT idea to me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Cenidoza Posted September 17, 2004 Share Posted September 17, 2004 Aren't internet forums for discussion and debate anyway? I mean, it's not like the whole bending/folding arguements are completely separated from the bending forum. I understand people get tired of reading it, but the simple solution is... well, not to read it. I think hi-jacked threads should be locked when they have fully evolved. Can't say that I totally agree with deleting "non-flamatory" posts for the sake of saving the thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarytheDino Posted September 17, 2004 Share Posted September 17, 2004 I don't see that forum yet but while we are on the subject................I don't know if this will spark any debate.....I hope not but this is how I feel. There are at least four different ways to short bend unbraced. Why would one style be such contraversial? After all was it not in an issue of Milo (the same company that puts out the Red Nail) that promoted the new crush style developed by the Holle brothers? Why does it have to be wrist only? Yes, some styles do require more wrist than others. You can deadlift two different ways, one requireing more back the other more hips. You can bench regular or reverse in some federations, although I personally find reverse more difficult. It's not a big deal the weight still moves from point A to point B. Should a strongman competitor not be allowed to Jerk a log because I can't......it's still lifted above his head. Yes, it does require less pressing power.......but he is faster and more cordinated than me and gets the log from point A to point B. In bending the nail still goes from strait to "U"ed. I don't think we should knock a centain style because we may not be good at it. Thinking about who would be the best bender.......it would have to be the one that bends a red in the most styles on the same day. Period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AP Posted September 17, 2004 Share Posted September 17, 2004 I think a debates forum could stifle debate on the board. If an item gets controvertial and is moved to the debates forum maybe people don't go to see it because they don't want to read rants. I think the bending/folding thing has petered out a bit anyway... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SqeezeMasterFlash Posted September 17, 2004 Share Posted September 17, 2004 (edited) I don't think we need a seperate forum. Let those who want to debate bending and folding do it. Most of us are tired of it and will ignore those threads. Pop a head in every now and then to make sure flaming isn't going on, but otherwise, leave those who wish to debate to it. As long as these debates stick to their own threads they're fine. If they start creeping into other threads I'd say get rid of the post. Edited September 17, 2004 by SqeezeMasterFlash Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikael Siversson Posted September 17, 2004 Share Posted September 17, 2004 Why does it have to be wrist only? Yes, some styles do require more wrist than others. It does not have to be mainly wrist oriented. It all comes down to the aim of the organiser of competitions/certifications. As a wrist event in a forearm competition, it is my view that the folding technique is unsuitable as the stress on the wrists is low relatively speaking. Apply the (hopefully useful) wrist strength you have gained from folding to a standard wrist curl or levering and challenge guys like Benny Wennberg or Shrug and you may understand my argument better. I have used mostly Pat's old reverse style and it is a great wrist strength builder if you can endure the stress it places upon the wrist and hands. Likewise, the underhand style directs major stress into the bones and ligaments of the wrists. People with little exposure to hard and specialised wrist training can often (as we have seen being reported) bend blue nails and even much harder steel with the folding technique first try after having been shown the most efficient folding technique. I still believe bending should be part of forearm competitions as it is a classic event and very fun and addictive. We will however probably see more restrictive bending rules in future competitions in Europe to start with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamidon Posted September 17, 2004 Share Posted September 17, 2004 If you want to fight, be disrespectful to others, or in fact debate gracefully, you did it there for ALL to see. I dont think being disrespectful would help in any way, deal with that by warning/banning individuals. I do believe that we should be able to argue any topic at any time. Funny how everyone says they are sick of some of the debates and yet the page view numbers are huge. I have read several of Michael S. posts that were deleted and I do not understand why. He has an opinion, he should be able to express it. I don't always agree with him. His posts recently are about his point of veiw wich he passionatly believes and he has not gone and attacked individuals. One of the things that really has not been debated on this whole issue is "What is the purpose of bending?" Is it really only a wrist strength excercise? Is it about turning metal into a U shape? Funny part of this whole debate is that the folding style is SPECIFICALLY taught on the IM site, and the old terminator style is not really discussed at all. Yet people here think that the folding style is not a legitimate way to bend a RED nail from IM, and the old terminator style is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricMilfeld Posted September 17, 2004 Share Posted September 17, 2004 I don't think there's a need for a seperate forum. There is however a need to maintain a board in which hi-jacking of threads, personal insults, excessive over-and-over redundancy , and unproven accusations are not tolerated. As was mentioned above, by definition this should be a place for constructive debate. I'm afraid a debate forum would degenerate into a three ring circus. Who wants to moderate that mess? I say let's all learn to disagree respectfully. And when something is "settled" or a "stalemate" is achieved, what's the point in rehashing it, unless your aim is spiteful, or you simply want the last word. And that's the final word on this issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikael Siversson Posted September 17, 2004 Share Posted September 17, 2004 (edited) I just wish that the moderator responsibel for removing my recent posts would be brave enough to stand up for his actions. Edited September 17, 2004 by Mikael Siversson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeP Posted September 17, 2004 Share Posted September 17, 2004 Again, I agree with my friend Eric. Just double his vote and label it mine. Last word. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Piche Posted September 17, 2004 Author Share Posted September 17, 2004 I just wish that the moderator responsibel for removing my recent posts would be brave enough to stand up for his actions. You are the one guility of hi-jacking even congratulatory threads with this bending versus folding argument. It's rude and disruptful. If you want to debate IN a thread specifically for bending versus folding, fine. I have no problem with that. The rudeness and and often inflammatory thread hi-jacking will not be tolerated in the future. You were hi-jacking yet another thread. The mod was merely trying to stop you from the rudeness of hi-jacking another thread. It doesn't matter if you were elegant in the post or non-inflamatory. The point being is you rudely started to hi-jack yet another bending thread with the bending versus folding argument. So, I am standing up for his actions right here and now in this post. The mod's were warned about people hi-jacking threads and told to stop it dead in it's tracks. If you want to debate it, start a new thread appropriately. I don't care about it from that perspective. It's when it becomes disruptive and rude due to hi-jacking is where I have an issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeP Posted September 17, 2004 Share Posted September 17, 2004 And that is unacceptable and should be dealt with. Threads labeled as such should be allowed but bringing it up in unrelated threads should be a punishable offense. A seperate forum is not needed, just repect from others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Piche Posted September 17, 2004 Author Share Posted September 17, 2004 And that is unacceptable and should be dealt with. Threads labeled as such should be allowed but bringing it up in unrelated threads should be a punishable offense. A seperate forum is not needed, just repect from others. It will be dealt with. Count on it. As I said, the thread hi-jacking is where my issue is with this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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