JustinH Posted August 11, 2004 Share Posted August 11, 2004 Now I think I have some idea of how nails and IM nails are in order of difficulty from what I've read on this site: White/ 20d? Yellow/ 30d? Green/ 40d? Blue/60d Grade 5 bolt Grade 8 bolt Red Grade 12 bolt Where does the 70d-100d nails fit in and what are the lengths of these? Also how does the white, yellow and green compare to store bought nails? I know that a 20d nail is 4 inches, 30d is 4.5 inches, 40d is 5 inches and 50 is 5.5 inches. I just want to know everything about this now, I've gotten really hooked on bending. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmainlands Posted August 11, 2004 Share Posted August 11, 2004 All common 60Ds I have tried have been harder, some very much harder, than an IM blue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SqeezeMasterFlash Posted August 11, 2004 Share Posted August 11, 2004 If you're looking to simulate the IM nails, don't buy nails, buy steel bar. Use the same length and thickness and you're there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonV Posted August 11, 2004 Share Posted August 11, 2004 The esteemed Mr. Ostlund, bender of reds and lifter of really big stones, previously produced the definitive work to date on metal bending. If you have not watched Dave's video clips in the gallery you are missing out. Check out this thread for the answers you seek, BENDING Good Luck! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drassk Posted August 20, 2004 Share Posted August 20, 2004 70D and 80D are 6.5 and 7 inches, respectively, if I remember my last visit to the hardware store. They're not only longer, though, they also are thicker than 60Ds, probably proportionate to their length increase. I almost made the mistake of buying 80D nails when I wanted to get a box of nails to bend because I thought they were the same thickness as the 60D box I was going to buy, only longer and hence easier. I made sure to try and bend one first and that set me straight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustinH Posted August 20, 2004 Author Share Posted August 20, 2004 So I guess the obvious, 100d is 8 inches and 140d is 10 inches? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SqeezeMasterFlash Posted August 20, 2004 Share Posted August 20, 2004 I've never even heard of a 140d, but I belelive you are correct on the 100d. They're also about 3/8" thick. I'm pretty sure one has never been bent unbraced , although Slim Farman does them braced quite nicely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossman Posted August 20, 2004 Share Posted August 20, 2004 JB and Slim Farman claim to have bent them unbraced Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SqeezeMasterFlash Posted August 20, 2004 Share Posted August 20, 2004 I had heard they both bent them starting the bend braced and finishing unbraced, but I could be wrong. Is there anyone around who has seen either of them bend 100d nails that could comment on the style? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terminator Posted August 20, 2004 Share Posted August 20, 2004 JB and Slim Farman claim to have bent them unbraced Neither has claimed to do that. Any spike bending of that magnitude by them or anyone else is usually done started over the leg and finished either crushed between the legs or posted on one leg and finished. In general, the "penny" designations are overused and incorrectly used. Usually, 80d's are 8" X 3/8, 100d's are 10" X 3/8", and 120d's are 12" X 3/8". I've personally never come across any 14" nails, and thought they may be custom, but I haven't been to every hardware store in the world......yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeP Posted August 20, 2004 Share Posted August 20, 2004 I have a video of JB doing a 7/16" x 11" bar bend at AOBS 2004. It was started across the thigh and posted on the thigh and pumped down. Minimal padding (appeared to be dish rags or washcloths) was used. Slim discussed his bending and showed how he bends 60ds out in front (thus, slim style-duh) but indicated that he did his spike bending across the side of his thigh. I think this is how most guys are doing it, Pat would be the expert here. I think Pat did some bending that night too maybe but it wasn't really worth mentioning J/K. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustinH Posted August 20, 2004 Author Share Posted August 20, 2004 JB and Slim Farman claim to have bent them unbraced Neither has claimed to do that. Any spike bending of that magnitude by them or anyone else is usually done started over the leg and finished either crushed between the legs or posted on one leg and finished. In general, the "penny" designations are overused and incorrectly used. Usually, 80d's are 8" X 3/8, 100d's are 10" X 3/8", and 120d's are 12" X 3/8". I've personally never come across any 14" nails, and thought they may be custom, but I haven't been to every hardware store in the world......yet. The penny term doesn't make sense then. Why is it that from 4'' to 6'' they are 20d-60d and when you hit 8'' it's 80d then to 10'' it's 100d? I bought an 8'' and 10'' just for fun when I first bought some nails, the 10'' must be harder than a RED. Anyone that can bend a 10'' unbraced must be superhuman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SqeezeMasterFlash Posted August 20, 2004 Share Posted August 20, 2004 Penny is an antiquated term that used to mean the price per 100 nails. Even that is only what historians assume and not an actual proven fact. Not sure when the sizes were standardized, but it's been that way for a long time. Over 100 years if I'm not mistaken. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foggymountainmuscle Posted August 21, 2004 Share Posted August 21, 2004 I noticed grip rite nails have a penny/d chart on the back of their boxes. 3d is 1.25" or 32mm 4d is 1.5" or 38mm 6d is 2" or 51mm 8d is 2.5" or 64mm 10d is 3" or 76mm 16d is 3.5" or 89mm 20d is 4" or 102mm 30d is 4.5" or 115mm 40d is 5" or 128mm 50d are probably 5.5" and 60ds are 6 inches and the intervals start to change and others have covered that. Your were mistaken if you were looking for systematic regularity in an English measurement scale. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustinH Posted August 21, 2004 Author Share Posted August 21, 2004 I noticed grip rite nails have a penny/d chart on the back of their boxes.3d is 1.25" or 32mm 4d is 1.5" or 38mm 6d is 2" or 51mm 8d is 2.5" or 64mm 10d is 3" or 76mm 16d is 3.5" or 89mm 20d is 4" or 102mm 30d is 4.5" or 115mm 40d is 5" or 128mm 50d are probably 5.5" and 60ds are 6 inches and the intervals start to change and others have covered that. Your were mistaken if you were looking for systematic regularity in an English measurement scale. Yes I was mistaken, I guess no one has ever bent a 100d nail without bracing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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