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Hi All! 

My background is in hand balancing, and I was recently intrigued by the world of short steel bending. My grip strength and upper body strength in general isn’t bad, considering the years of hand balancing behind me, so I decided to jump in a couple months ago. I have a few questions about the types of steel I’m bending, and whether the progressions I’m working on make sense. 

I’m currently working up to my first cert, goal being the Loki bar from The Challenge Dude, which is equivalent to the IM Red Nail. I’m using Justin’s Level 1, 3/16x7” CRS as technique training (double overhand), Level 2, 1/4x7” CRS as warm ups, and Level 3, 1/4x7” SS as the workout. Level 4 is his Loki bar, 5/16x7” CRS. Outside of those progressions, is where I’m wondering where to work at. I can bend galvanized 60D’s consistently, and recently bent a Grade 2 SS, 1/4x6” bolt. My question is, are these bolts worth being a part of the supplemental training, outside of TCD’s steel stock and 60D nails? I’ve read in a few places actually that Grade 2’s aren’t worth pursuing, and it’s better to just stick with different types of 60D’s and stock. What’s interesting to me though is that the crush with the SS Grade 2 was quite a bit different than the galvanized 60D’s I’ve bent, so I’m wondering if it’s good to experiment with different types of steel, bolts and nails, to get an idea of how the steel reacts to the bend.

Thank you for anyone’s thoughts on the subject, it’s been an addicting, fun ride so far in conquering some steel! Looking forward to hitting that Loki bar sometime! 

Kindly, 

Mike 

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Fist of Fury

1/4 Grade 8 bolts are the usual progression up to the red nail. You can try 1/4 square CRS as well.

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acromegaman

If you're wanting to simplify things to where they are laid out for you then you can just order a "Road to the Bastard" bag from FBBC. It has some bars that will help you progress. If you think you are close already then you can purchase some 1/4" x 6" grade 8 bolts and square previously mentioned above.

 

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Billy Jack

I would just buy H,J, K, L, and N drill rod and be done with it. This way you can just cut all of your pieces to 7", which is the length of your goal piece. If you buy different strength bolts you are gonna have to move between 6" and 7" at times. If your goal is to currently bend a 7" piece, and you are new to bending, I would stick exclusively with 7" pieces until you reach that first goal and get many bends under your belt. I think this is easiest done with cutting your own drill rod in those increments denoted by the letters above. If you do not want to fool with cutting the pieces yourself, and want to help out FBBC, you can always do as Delmar said above and do the FBBC Road to "X" Bastard bag.

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1 hour ago, Billy Jack said:

I would just buy H,J, K, L, and N drill rod and be done with it. This way you can just cut all of your pieces to 7", which is the length of your goal piece. If you buy different strength bolts you are gonna have to move between 6" and 7" at times. If your goal is to currently bend a 7" piece, and you are new to bending, I would stick exclusively with 7" pieces until you reach that first goal and get many bends under your belt. I think this is easiest done with cutting your own drill rod in those increments denoted by the letters above. If you do not want to fool with cutting the pieces yourself, and want to help out FBBC, you can always do as Delmar said above and do the FBBC Road to "X" Bastard bag.

Hey Billy, if I'm new to bending, would you suggest getting the FBBC beginners bag to get started?

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Billy Jack
2 hours ago, Zane said:

Hey Billy, if I'm new to bending, would you suggest getting the FBBC beginners bag to get started?

It depends on what your goal is. If you just want to get stronger at bending, then I think the bender's bag is good. It has a mix of several lengths and diameters. If you have a specific goal or certification bar you are chasing, then I always recommend using only the same length bars in training when you are newer and don't have your technique down 100% every time. The difference in a 7" bar and a 6" bar can be somewhat big when it comes to technique as a new bender. It seemed to take me a bit to get used to going back and forth between lengths when I first started.

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17 minutes ago, Billy Jack said:

It depends on what your goal is. If you just want to get stronger at bending, then I think the bender's bag is good. It has a mix of several lengths and diameters. If you have a specific goal or certification bar you are chasing, then I always recommend using only the same length bars in training when you are newer and don't have your technique down 100% every time. The difference in a 7" bar and a 6" bar can be somewhat big when it comes to technique as a new bender. It seemed to take me a bit to get used to going back and forth between lengths when I first started.

Thanks for the advice! I think I'll stick to 7" until I get some technique down.

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6 hours ago, Billy Jack said:

I would just buy H,J, K, L, and N drill rod and be done with it. This way you can just cut all of your pieces to 7", which is the length of your goal piece. If you buy different strength bolts you are gonna have to move between 6" and 7" at times. If your goal is to currently bend a 7" piece, and you are new to bending, I would stick exclusively with 7" pieces until you reach that first goal and get many bends under your belt. I think this is easiest done with cutting your own drill rod in those increments denoted by the letters above. If you do not want to fool with cutting the pieces yourself, and want to help out FBBC, you can always do as Delmar said above and do the FBBC Road to "X" Bastard bag.

Thanks Billy, that makes a lot of sense, training at a length exclusively for the bend I am pursuing. If I understand correctly, the basic Bastard is essentially the same as IM’s Red, and TCD’s Loki; 5/16x7” CRS?

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7 hours ago, acromegaman said:

If you're wanting to simplify things to where they are laid out for you then you can just order a "Road to the Bastard" bag from FBBC. It has some bars that will help you progress. If you think you are close already then you can purchase some 1/4" x 6" grade 8 bolts and square previously mentioned above.

 

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Thanks a ton for this suggestion, I completely missed this on FBBC’s website. It sounds like this is a good way to go, training specifically for any type of bend I’d pursue in the future! 

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15 hours ago, MikeF. said:

Thanks Billy, that makes a lot of sense, training at a length exclusively for the bend I am pursuing. If I understand correctly, the basic Bastard is essentially the same as IM’s Red, and TCD’s Loki; 5/16x7” CRS?

Yes, regular bastard bar is same dimensions. Does not mean the same strength rating, however, as steel fluctuates because of many factors.

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1 hour ago, Billy Jack said:

Yes, regular bastard bar is same dimensions. Does not mean the same strength rating, however, as steel fluctuates because of many factors.

Gotcha! Thanks for the time, it’s appreciated, looking forward to feeling the differences in those bends when I get there! 

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MikeF.

 I received the Road to the Bastard from FBBC last night, along with some blue nails from IM! I ran through all of my stock from TCD recently (with the exception of the Loki and Heimdall Bars of course), so this couldn’t come at a better time. 

I recently found the grip ratings website as well, and it looks like the steel from FBBC in this bag provides a much more subtle progression road to 5/16x7 bends. The drill rod seems especially subtle, I can see why it provides benders with a better way to progress in bending. I ordered the IM blue nails along with everything else, as I was getting tired of blowing through my 60D’s and having to get more, so I think I’ll be covered here for a while. 

The suggestions I received earlier really helped, thanks again guys. I’ll post some progressive bends here once to get to them. I recently bent my first Grade 5 bolt successfully, but I won’t go for the 1/4 square stock for a while, the Grade 5 took everything I had. 

Kindly, 

Mike 

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