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Qaroh

Hi folks

Is the mechanism of the Grip machine similar to the grippers?

In other words: can I be satisfied with the Grip machine and dispense with the Grippers?

 

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Hopefully
4 minutes ago, Qaroh said:

Hi folks

Is the mechanism of the Grip machine similar to the grippers?

In other words: can I be satisfied with the Grip machine and dispense with the Grippers?

 

Thanks

Not if the goal is closing grippers. 

Yes if the goal is general hand strength. 

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Bob Callahan

Depends in how you use it. It's useful to have one that has an attachment similar to Joe Kinney's "Secret Weapon". Like this one:

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AdamTGlass
6 hours ago, Hopefully said:

Not if the goal is closing grippers. 

Yes if the goal is general hand strength. 

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Hubgeezer

For those that use the Grip machine, what type(s) of hand (s) placement do you or have you used?

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Bob Callahan
14 hours ago, Hubgeezer said:

For those that use the Grip machine, what type(s) of hand (s) placement do you or have you used?

Since I'm a rock climber, my training with one may be a little different than most of the members here. I use a standard four-finger grip, and do negatives where I raise the bar with both hands and lower with one hand to fingertips, alternating hands on each repetition. The end movement looks like this:

 

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Bob Callahan

I should add that that's not me in the attached photograph. It's from a product advertisement. The amount of weight I use depends on whether I'm working on strength or endurance.

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WestSlope
On 11/3/2019 at 6:28 AM, Bob Callahan said:

Since I'm a rock climber, my training with one may be a little different than most of the members here. I use a standard four-finger grip, and do negatives where I raise the bar with both hands and lower with one hand to fingertips, alternating hands on each repetition. The end movement looks like this:

Have you noticed the work on this machine helping on the rock? I used to do heavy finger rolls with a barbell, but dropped them in favor of the hangboard.

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Joseph Sullivan

 @MarcoBuhl told me last year  to not waste time on gripper machines. You want to close big grippers, the practice must be done on grippers. I think he is right!

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3 minutes ago, Joseph Sullivan said:

 @MarcoBuhl told me last year  to not waste time on gripper machines. You want to close big grippers, the practice must be done on grippers. I think he is right!

I think it could have some merit being used for variation purposes and/or for a hypertrophy phase. As the same muscles are being used it's basically impossible that it wouldn't have some carry over in the long run. 

To focus primarily on the machine for grippers would be a mistake though. 

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Ryroza

negatives on machine are easier to set up and fun , but overall  grippers should be main source.

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Joseph Sullivan
43 minutes ago, Hopefully said:

I think it could have some merit being used for variation purposes and/or for a hypertrophy phase. As the same muscles are being used it's basically impossible that it wouldn't have some carry over in the long run. 

To focus primarily on the machine for grippers would be a mistake though. 

May be nice for some as a way to warm up or for variety, but not as a mode for increasing gripper closes per ‘se.

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Hubgeezer

I will let you guys know after Thanksgiving, as I am going to give a grip machine a fair shot for the first time.

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slazbob

There was a guy that used to workout with Nathan Holle ...can’t remember his name at the moment. He was strong on grippers ...and on the grip machine; he actually bent the top bar on IronMind’s Go-really Grip Machine with 380lb. +? 
 

if you can keep it strict, it would help you. If guys who do heavy deads can do well on grippers, why can’t a specialized machine do the same? Of course it will.

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jchapman

Richard Sorin @1stCoC liked them so much he kept  one by his desk

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richcottrell
15 hours ago, Hubgeezer said:

I will let you guys know after Thanksgiving, as I am going to give a grip machine a fair shot for the first time.

Which type of machine?

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Ricochet
14 hours ago, jchapman said:

Richard Sorin @1stCoC liked them so much he kept  one by his desk

Concur. I was about to post Richard Sorin, as well as John Brookfield, but you beat me to it! They spoke well of the grip machine and thought it provided a healthy balance to the other gripping, pinching, and bending implements no matter your specific pursuit.

Of the grip machine: "Another way to build a superb crushing grip is with the grip machine." - J. Brookfield

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Hubgeezer
14 minutes ago, richcottrell said:

Which type of machine?

Go Really by IronMind.

 

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Bob Callahan
21 hours ago, WestSlope said:

Have you noticed the work on this machine helping on the rock? I used to do heavy finger rolls with a barbell, but dropped them in favor of the hangboard.

Yes. But besides using them dynamically, I do yielding isometric holds at full extension and full close. I prefer doing this to hangboarding and finger rolls because it isolates fingers better with less strain on shoulders.

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WestSlope
19 hours ago, Hubgeezer said:

I will let you guys know after Thanksgiving, as I am going to give a grip machine a fair shot for the first time.

I'm keen to see your result. It is counter intuitive to me that using the grip machine wouldn't help. There is a few videos of Juha Harju cranking on one when he was closing big grippers.

The one thing I think I need if I ever purchase one is 3/4" grip bars to match grippers at the fully closed position.

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Chez
17 minutes ago, WestSlope said:

I'm keen to see your result. It is counter intuitive to me that using the grip machine wouldn't help. There is a few videos of Juha Harju cranking on one when he was closing big grippers.

The one thing I think I need if I ever purchase one is 3/4" grip bars to match grippers at the fully closed position.

I actually had sorinex make me theirs with 3/4” handles. I had the crush booster also so it wasn’t necessary. I ended up using the main part for dynamic pinch and I think the bigger handles would have been better. I only used the crush booster for crush training and it was great 

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Joseph Sullivan

I have a hardy handshake replica for one who may want to use it and see if it helps your gripper prowess.  I have used it a handful of times. 

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WestSlope
1 hour ago, Chez said:

I actually had sorinex make me theirs with 3/4” handles. I had the crush booster also so it wasn’t necessary. I ended up using the main part for dynamic pinch and I think the bigger handles would have been better. I only used the crush booster for crush training and it was great 

Thanks, Chez. Just buying one and using it as-is will save me time and a few bucks.

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