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I guess you are looking for an argument Tommy/Alawadhi but not going to get one from me sorry. Obviously I didn't say the things you are saying I said other than a few things. One brian trains his grip a lot (of course he does, that's obvious), and two as regards to the plates (not just juha) that's nothing against him or anybody else I just feel when you use plates that are almost half the width in changes the feat and imo shouldn't be on the same list as originals etc (happy for anybody to disagree, just my personal opinion). I don't think my grip is better than Brian's, never have. As for Britain being the best, David Horne does not = britain. I think Finland would win if there was a team event but there's a lot of strong athletes all around the world. I don't feel being from a certain country would make you any stronger, possibly in terms of genetic makeup but genetics are mixed everywhere. Of course everybody can be strong, I have nothing against any country. I don't know what you are talking about on the mobster #4 thing though think he closed 3 #4's in america. Might be wrong on that, you would have to ask him. I last commented on a gripper video this morning and will happily support anybody closing any gripper or doing any grip event, or for that matter anything that makes them happy really. I don't tend to comment too often, I generally just watch videos, I try to remember to click the like button though. If you want to think I have not closed any #4's etc that's cool. Good luck to both of you in your training, will leave you to it here.

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Mike Rinderle
4 hours ago, Kluv#0 said:

Your post was perfect and I didn't even think of it as an personal attack. I should have edited my initial post(which I will now) knowing that it was an older model and that of course it wasn't an official WR - which I also stated - so I fudged up 2x with my initial post, LOL

Jerky McJerkface!

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Jedd Johnson
On 10/8/2018 at 4:10 PM, temmmeeee said:

Here is Igor's amazing lift

 

The lift looked like it started out with his lifting hand braced against his inner thigh to me...?

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Joseph Sullivan
27 minutes ago, Jedd Johnson said:

The lift looked like it started out with his lifting hand braced against his inner thigh to me...?

I saw the same 

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bencrush
2 hours ago, Joseph Sullivan said:

I saw the same 

I just watched it and yeah, that immediately jumped out to me too. 

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Mike Rinderle

Yup.  I think I've got a PR in me this KING KONG!

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Tommy J.
8 hours ago, Paul Savage said:

I guess you are looking for an argument Tommy/Alawadhi but not going to get one from me sorry. Obviously I didn't say the things you are saying I said other than a few things. One brian trains his grip a lot (of course he does, that's obvious), and two as regards to the plates (not just juha) that's nothing against him or anybody else I just feel when you use plates that are almost half the width in changes the feat and imo shouldn't be on the same list as originals etc (happy for anybody to disagree, just my personal opinion). I don't think my grip is better than Brian's, never have. As for Britain being the best, David Horne does not = britain. I think Finland would win if there was a team event but there's a lot of strong athletes all around the world. I don't feel being from a certain country would make you any stronger, possibly in terms of genetic makeup but genetics are mixed everywhere. Of course everybody can be strong, I have nothing against any country. I don't know what you are talking about on the mobster #4 thing though think he closed 3 #4's in america. Might be wrong on that, you would have to ask him. I last commented on a gripper video this morning and will happily support anybody closing any gripper or doing any grip event, or for that matter anything that makes them happy really. I don't tend to comment too often, I generally just watch videos, I try to remember to click the like button though. If you want to think I have not closed any #4's etc that's cool. Good luck to both of you in your training, will leave you to it here.

Im not looking to argue. I just have never had any issue pointing out an elephant in a room.

Juha used calibrated comp plates to pinch if memory serves me. Plates that anyone else could also purchase and replicate the exact same feat. So imo, it sort of standardizes the feats he did with plate pinches. And on that note, i have never seen a set of comp plates (that werent bumpers or didnt have lips) that werent thinner and often times taller than standard plates. 

So that said, is everyone who sets a world record deadlift on taller/thinner comp plates also guilty of seeking easier plates to deadlift? Since they are typically a little taller than standards, and the initial pull off the ground is a little higher?

i mean if we are splitting hairs on what you think of various plates getting pinched, imagine how your #4 close vids look compared to everyone elses..

just sayin’

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The Mac

You know Competition Plates for Deadlifting are the same height, yeah?

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Climber028
8 minutes ago, The Mac said:

You know Competition Plates for Deadlifting are the same height, yeah?

The thickness varies, which effects pinch difficulty. Most are the standard height of 450mm tho some cheaper steel plates can be slightly taller or shorter.

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The Mac
6 minutes ago, Climber028 said:

The thickness varies, which effects pinch difficulty. Most are the standard height of 450mm tho some cheaper steel plates can be slightly taller or shorter.

I'm talking about Deadlifting as mentioned in Tommy's post above mine...and nobody is setting a World Record in a credible Fed on different sized plates (shrugs).

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Tommy J.
7 hours ago, The Mac said:

I'm talking about Deadlifting as mentioned in Tommy's post above mine...and nobody is setting a World Record in a credible Fed on different sized plates (shrugs).

“Shrugs”... for you missing my sarcasm towards Paul for splitting hairs on minuscule plate widths.

i compared higher end comp plates to Academy special plates. Maybe you overlooked my comparison?

The comparison to Pauls complaint of Juha using thin (or easy) plates to pinch, would be a guy who is deadlifting at record levels in his garage on cheap brick and mortar store plates accusing a stronger guy who uses comp plates to deadlift of cheating, using “taller” plates.

And since you mention, Yes, there was a slight difference in bar hight between some high dollar rogue comp plates, and some standard 45lb plates i stood upright next to each other. 

No where did i suggested that various comp level plates in different feds are different hights. 

Do i think that slight hight difference between cheap and comp plates makes that much difference in the grand scheme? Not anymore than anyone who suggests that Juha pinched easy plates.

the bar hight difference i saw (minuscule) could almost be corrected by putting on a second pair of socks..

its such an invalid argument by Paul, that it can only be addressed with sarcasm.

 

You up to speed now?

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Tommy J.

And have you seen Pauls #4 close vids? If not, watch them. Then decide for yourself if he has any room to call out any feat of Juhas, or anyone else of seemingly cheating.

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Tommy J.
On 10/11/2018 at 6:19 PM, Tommy J. said:

Im not looking to argue. I just have never had any issue pointing out an elephant in a room.

Juha used calibrated comp plates to pinch if memory serves me. Plates that anyone else could also purchase and replicate the exact same feat. So imo, it sort of standardizes the feats he did with plate pinches. And on that note, i have never seen a set of comp plates (that werent bumpers or didnt have lips) that werent thinner and often times taller than standard plates. 

So that said, is everyone who sets a world record deadlift on taller/thinner comp plates also guilty of seeking easier plates to deadlift? Since they are typically a little taller than standards, and the initial pull off the ground is a little higher?

i mean if we are splitting hairs on what you think of various plates getting pinched, imagine how your #4 close vids look compared to everyone elses..

just sayin’

Yep. I was crystal clear on plate comparison. As i highlighted in my un altered post above.

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Paul Savage
13 hours ago, Tommy J. said:

“Shrugs”... for you missing my sarcasm towards Paul for splitting hairs on minuscule plate widths.

i compared higher end comp plates to Academy special plates. Maybe you overlooked my comparison?

The comparison to Pauls complaint of Juha using thin (or easy) plates to pinch, would be a guy who is deadlifting at record levels in his garage on cheap brick and mortar store plates accusing a stronger guy who uses comp plates to deadlift of cheating, using “taller” plates.

And since you mention, Yes, there was a slight difference in bar hight between some high dollar rogue comp plates, and some standard 45lb plates i stood upright next to each other. 

No where did i suggested that various comp level plates in different feds are different hights. 

Do i think that slight hight difference between cheap and comp plates makes that much difference in the grand scheme? Not anymore than anyone who suggests that Juha pinched easy plates.

the bar hight difference i saw (minuscule) could almost be corrected by putting on a second pair of socks..

its such an invalid argument by Paul, that it can only be addressed with sarcasm.

 

You up to speed now?

I don't get why you insist on personal attacks against me, I can't see any way in which this benefits you or anybody else, but i'm not some guy who just trains in his garage bud. Been top 5 at two world championships (world strongest hands and US world grip championships), top 3 in European championships etc these being weight categories excluded e.g overall. I'm also the coach of the strongest female athlete to ever do the sport imo (I feel she has proven this now). I probably shouldn't bother to defend myself as the stuff your saying is really petty.

Again, the plates thing was really nothing to do with juha, he's one of many that have used the plates. I totally get it in terms of making things standard but those kind of plates are very expensive at the same time. The difference in width was not small, it was nearly half the width on some of the wider multi plate feats, with of course the width being the main difficulty with those as oppose to the weight. I have no issue with anyone using any plates, I just personally feel there should maybe be different lists etc Just my opinion though, happy for anybody to disagree.

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Paul Savage
13 hours ago, Tommy J. said:

And have you seen Pauls #4 close vids? If not, watch them. Then decide for yourself if he has any room to call out any feat of Juhas, or anyone else of seemingly cheating.

Again I don't get how these personal attacks benefit you and of course I never said anything about anybody cheating.

Again, I know I shouldn't lower myself but these are clear enough. 

Hopefully this thread can get back on topic now.

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Tommy J.
7 minutes ago, Paul Savage said:

I don't get why you insist on personal attacks against me, I can't see any way in which this benefits you or anybody else, but i'm not some guy who just trains in his garage bud. Been top 5 at two world championships (world strongest hands and US world grip championships), top 3 in European championships etc these being weight categories excluded e.g overall. I'm also the coach of the strongest female athlete to ever do the sport imo (I feel she has proven this now). I probably shouldn't bother to defend myself as the stuff your saying is really petty.

Again, the plates thing was really nothing to do with juha, he's one of many that have used the plates. I totally get it in terms of making things standard but those kind of plates are very expensive at the same time. The difference in width was not small, it was nearly half the width on some of the wider multi plate feats, with of course the width being the main difficulty with those as oppose to the weight. I have no issue with anyone using any plates, I just personally feel there should maybe be different lists etc Just my opinion though, happy for anybody to disagree.

The pettycopter has returned! 🚁

Look man i dont have anything against you personally. I actually think you do fine. Sometimes a bit smug towards other top performers, but hey. 

But seriously though, your setting of grippers between your thighs is embarrassing. Just sayin’

You are too big of a guy to need to set a gripper like that. I can easily set a 220# gripper to parallel and im not overly strong in the chest.

and on a random side note, do you think going as thin as possible on the euro is cheating also? Plate pinching any 2 plates arent necessarily supposed to be a wide pinch challenge. Thats what blobs and pinching more than 2 plates are for.

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Tommy J.
14 minutes ago, Paul Savage said:

Again I don't get how these personal attacks benefit you and of course I never said anything about anybody cheating.

Again, I know I shouldn't lower myself but these are clear enough. 

Hopefully this thread can get back on topic now.

Oh no you dont!

these are your closes im talking about.

 

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Fist of Fury

There's no such thing as a "3x15 plate pinch" or whatever. For plate pinching it should always be stated what type of plates it is. So no point arguing about that as far as I'm concerned.

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Paul Savage
6 minutes ago, Tommy J. said:

Oh no you dont!

these are your closes im talking about.

 

Somebody posts a video where they do a widish paused close on a #4 and even though you can hear the handles crack together, you complain about it. The easy thing to do is not to complain, but to do it better yourself. Problem with that is that its not easy and took years and years of absolute obsession to be able to do, good camera skills or not.

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Paul Savage
29 minutes ago, Tommy J. said:

The pettycopter has returned! 🚁

Look man i dont have anything against you personally. I actually think you do fine. Sometimes a bit smug towards other top performers, but hey. 

But seriously though, your setting of grippers between your thighs is embarrassing. Just sayin’

You are too big of a guy to need to set a gripper like that. I can easily set a 220# gripper to parallel and im not overly strong in the chest.

and on a random side note, do you think going as thin as possible on the euro is cheating also? Plate pinching any 2 plates arent necessarily supposed to be a wide pinch challenge. Thats what blobs and pinching more than 2 plates are for.

Yes I need to work on my set. Its great you can set a #220 gripper easy, unfortunately it takes more than setting a gripper to close it.

The point being if blobzilla was scaled down to 60% size, but weighed the same, it would be night and day easier. This is the issue with using thin plates for wide plate pinch feats as it takes the width difficulty out of it to a large extent and in my opinion becomes a different feat. An again, I wasn't saying anything juha or anyone else did was wrong or not strong etc It's just my opinion on the feat.

No of course euro pinch is adjustable to everybody so they can lift the most at there best widths and I think thats great. Also thinner doesn't always = easier, very narrow can be significantly harder for some.

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Tommy J.
21 minutes ago, Fist of Fury said:

There's no such thing as a "3x15 plate pinch" or whatever. For plate pinching it should always be stated what type of plates it is. So no point arguing about that as far as I'm concerned.

But there is such thing as 5, 6, and even 7 dimes, and 3-25s pinch. So yes, you CAN use multiple plates for wide pinch.

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Tommy J.
15 minutes ago, Paul Savage said:

Somebody posts a video where they do a widish paused close on a #4 and even though you can hear the handles crack together, you complain about it. The easy thing to do is not to complain, but to do it better yourself. Problem with that is that its not easy and took years and years of absolute obsession to be able to do, good camera skills or not.

Then why did you not do the same with Juha?

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Tommy J.
13 minutes ago, Tommy J. said:

But there is such thing as 5, 6, and even 7 dimes, and 3-25s pinch. So yes, you CAN use multiple plates for wide pinch.

And correct me if im wrong, but i think either Chad Woodall or Wade did indeed 1hp 3-15k plates.

it was either 3-15k or 3-35s.

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Tommy J.
1 minute ago, Tommy J. said:

And correct me if im wrong, but i think either Chad Woodall or Wade did indeed 1hp 3-15k plates.

I mean damn.. there is quite the phenomenon of people around here these days who havent a clue about what kind of grip feats have already been done.

what gives with that?.. on another thread we had people swearing up and down that no one “has even come close” to 150k RT pull, now we have people here insisting that more than 2 plates being pinched in 1 hand “isnt even a thing”.

 

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Climber028
4 minutes ago, Tommy J. said:

I mean damn.. there is quite the phenomenon of people around here these days who havent a clue about what kind of grip feats have already been done.

what gives with that?.. on another thread we had people swearing up and down that no one “has even come close” to 150k RT pull, now we have people here insisting that more than 2 plates being pinched in 1 hand “isnt even a thing”.

 

I believe he was saying that it's not a singular feat, such as an inch lift or other devices that are all reasonably identical. Whenever plate feats are done the type of plate is either shown or mentioned to have some sort of comparison between lifters. Obviously multiple plate lifts are done but there is so much variety you may be able to pinch 5 dimes of one brand but only 4 of another. 

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