Paul Knight Posted February 6, 2011 Share Posted February 6, 2011 I think I'm gonna try my first AW tourny ... I'll be competing in amateur of course, probably the 242 weight class as I'm ~230 right now. I'm starting training w/Geoff Engles next week on the table. We'll see how my elbow holds out. I'll be competing in the grip contest that day too. Yikes! Anyone else here going to the RCC this year to compete besides David Rue and maybe Mike Hann ... Big Nasty, you going? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timstruse Posted February 6, 2011 Share Posted February 6, 2011 I feel sorry for your competition. One squeeze and their hands will explode. Hope that elbow stays healthy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mightyjoe Posted February 6, 2011 Share Posted February 6, 2011 Paul, I wouldn't compete in the arm wrestling tournament with your past history of elbow pain. It could seriously hamper your grip training not to metion injuring your elbow even further. I would strongly reconsider. Even if you insist, you do not in any way have the proper amount of time and training to condition your tendons and ligaments for that kind of torque. Believe me when I tell you that arm wrestling and grip training DO NOT mix 99% of the time and they are a world apart. You can crush BIG grippers all day long and get killed at arm wrestling. I would say this is just my 2 cents but it's not. I'm coming from years of experience at the sport of arm wrestling of which I'm permanetly retired. I would hate to see ALL you've gained at grip go down the drain from a single match in arm wrestling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico300zx Posted February 6, 2011 Share Posted February 6, 2011 wow mighty joe, never thought that could happen. Parris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
climber511 Posted February 6, 2011 Share Posted February 6, 2011 Paul - have you been pulling at all lately? I'm kind of with Joe on this if you haven't been practicing against other people - weight room strong is much different than pulling in a contest where you might have to pull several times at max effort in a few hours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burke77 Posted February 6, 2011 Share Posted February 6, 2011 What Might Joe said seems right... However, i also want to see Paul Knight on the arm wrestling table...(only if he is not gonna be injured) It will be a news...big news to those who love both grip and arm wrestling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mightyjoe Posted February 6, 2011 Share Posted February 6, 2011 For clarification, I'm not saying Paul should never try his hand at arm wrestling. What I am saying is if he considers competing at least plan and prepare ahead of time before even thinking about competing. You never know, Paul could eventually become a Monster at arm wrestling just like he has at grip but at least go about it correctly and reduce your risk of injury that would hamper or hault all your training, grip or otherwise. It takes a fair amount of time (6 months -2 years) to properly strengthen and condition ones tendons and ligaments for arm wrestling. Your first 8-12 weeks will be mostly neural adaptations for your tendons and ligaments without any increase in muscular hypertrophy. One thing for sure is you won't get any stronger for the event in that short amount of time. If anything you'll be weaker for the tournament. You can call me Paul and we can discuss this in detail if you wish. I'll help you any way I can no matter your decision. I just want to see you succeed and not get injured from an already suspect elbow issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivarboneless Posted February 6, 2011 Share Posted February 6, 2011 I pulled Paul after some training last time I was there and the man is strong. He's plenty ready so long as he can have a few practices. If he can get through an hour long practice and not have crippling elbow pain he'll be fine. I would even venture a bet that Paul will get 1st place in the novice division EVEN IF perenial novices like Johnny Ordonne show up. Unless the grip training had me so worn out that I was completely useless what I felt was enough to overwhelm the class. His technique is not the best, BUT it's not terrible. It's plenty fine to do a tournament. I'd wager that if I entered the 242 novice I'd take 1st place both hands....and after what I felt after practice I'm not entirely sure I could beat Paul....so I'd say he's ready. To Paul: I'd say go to the tournament unless practice is unbearable for your elbow. Also rest at least 2 weeks before the event from table time and take a good 3 days off lifting. Do not doubt Paul's pulling strength, it's fine...only question here is whether or not his elbow hurts to an extreme degree after pulling. Good luck at RCC Paul! I won't be there unfortunately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Knight Posted February 7, 2011 Author Share Posted February 7, 2011 I pulled Paul after some training last time I was there and the man is strong. He's plenty ready so long as he can have a few practices. If he can get through an hour long practice and not have crippling elbow pain he'll be fine. I would even venture a bet that Paul will get 1st place in the novice division EVEN IF perenial novices like Johnny Ordonne show up. Unless the grip training had me so worn out that I was completely useless what I felt was enough to overwhelm the class. His technique is not the best, BUT it's not terrible. It's plenty fine to do a tournament. I'd wager that if I entered the 242 novice I'd take 1st place both hands....and after what I felt after practice I'm not entirely sure I could beat Paul....so I'd say he's ready. To Paul: I'd say go to the tournament unless practice is unbearable for your elbow. Also rest at least 2 weeks before the event from table time and take a good 3 days off lifting. Do not doubt Paul's pulling strength, it's fine...only question here is whether or not his elbow hurts to an extreme degree after pulling. Good luck at RCC Paul! I won't be there unfortunately. that's my plan ... to see how training goes and make a final decision ... I think I will be fine though. I'm very aware of my elbow so I will be paying close attention and I've learned over the past couple of years when to quit so that I don't completly flare up my elbow. I'm doing it for fun which is all that matters. Mike, you better have a GOOD reason why you won't be there haha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Knight Posted February 7, 2011 Author Share Posted February 7, 2011 Paul - have you been pulling at all lately? I'm kind of with Joe on this if you haven't been practicing against other people - weight room strong is much different than pulling in a contest where you might have to pull several times at max effort in a few hours. I haven't but we are still almost 2 months out ... I know that's not long at all but I will be training w/Geoff until then ... besides if my elbow starts hurting bad during the tourny, I will just back out and focus on the grip comp ... no big deal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mightyjoe Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 I pulled Paul after some training last time I was there and the man is strong. He's plenty ready so long as he can have a few practices. If he can get through an hour long practice and not have crippling elbow pain he'll be fine. I would even venture a bet that Paul will get 1st place in the novice division EVEN IF perenial novices like Johnny Ordonne show up. Unless the grip training had me so worn out that I was completely useless what I felt was enough to overwhelm the class. His technique is not the best, BUT it's not terrible. It's plenty fine to do a tournament. I'd wager that if I entered the 242 novice I'd take 1st place both hands....and after what I felt after practice I'm not entirely sure I could beat Paul....so I'd say he's ready. To Paul: I'd say go to the tournament unless practice is unbearable for your elbow. Also rest at least 2 weeks before the event from table time and take a good 3 days off lifting. Do not doubt Paul's pulling strength, it's fine...only question here is whether or not his elbow hurts to an extreme degree after pulling. Good luck at RCC Paul! I won't be there unfortunately. Mike, I'm not questioning Paul's strength. I'm questioning his foundation for arm wrestling. I've seen many newcomers to the sport come in and wipe out there class and 2 days later they go to the gym to train and WHAMMO! They're injured! Guess why? If there's one sport where you can't ignore proper foundation and preperation, arm wrestling wins hands down. Yes, Paul could possibly go in there and sweep the class but he could also get his arm (elbow) handed to him with just one wrong move under force at the right angle. Risky to me but Paul knows his limits better than anyone. I guess we'll see what happens. I'll be there to get some pics of his first match. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueviper42 Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 (edited) Joe, I agree with the points you make. But what makes you think that any of the other novices are any better prepared than Paul? If the only people that competed were people who had practiced for 1-2 years, the novice and majority of amateur classes would vanish. I competed my first tournament with no real practice or instruction and I didn't wreck anything. But, as we know, it is different with Paul, because he is a top grip athlete, and doing anything to risk injury has to be evaluated. His strength level also poses a problem, because improperly applying his amount of strength can lead to injury. However, I'm of the opinion that two months of practice should adequately prepare him for a novice class. Although how competing in armwrestling will effect his performance in the grip competition is another story. Edited February 7, 2011 by thewalrus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jad Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 Looking forward to seeing the Paul Knight Show on the table! If you're worried about the elbow, try pulling in a posting top roll. It's pretty easy on it compared to other moves. With this move, regarding your elbow, just be wary of a press. If someone throws a flopped wrist press on you and your wrist isn't locked like a front lever, it puts a TREMENDOUS amt of pressure on your elbow. The key is keeping your wrist locked (like a front lever) because if it's not, you can still feel like you have total hand control but the pressure on your elbow with increase dramatically and there's a good chance you'll pop your MCL. You can play with it with bands and see what I'm talking about or I'm sure Joe could show you in 10 sec. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mightyjoe Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 (edited) Joe, I agree with the points you make. But what makes you think that any of the other novices are any better prepared than Paul? If the only people that competed were people who had practiced for 1-2 years, the novice and majority of amateur classes would vanish. I competed my first tournament with no real practice or instruction and I didn't wreck anything. But, as we know, it is different with Paul, because he is a top grip athlete, and doing anything to risk injury has to be evaluated. His strength level also poses a problem, because improperly applying his amount of strength can lead to injury. However, I'm of the opinion that two months of practice should adequately prepare him for a novice class. Although how competing in armwrestling will effect his performance in the grip competition is another story. Well taken David. Few points here: 1) I would say a large percentage of the novice competitors are not prepared properly. It is also the novice class that most ill-prepared competitors leave the sport because of an injury or chronic tendonitis. Also, there has not always been a novice class. Relatively new compared to how long the sport has been around. Novice class or not your preperation makes or breaks you in the sport of arm wrestling. You failed to mention you're a very rare athlete that can cross train different sports with arm wrestling without problems. Most cannot. 2) I would debate the claim that 2 months is enough preparation to develop the tendons and ligaments for arm wrestling in ANY class. Not to mention (as you well know)the novice classes are not so novice any longer due to a lack of rules and definitions for said class. I've seen novices smoke some pro class competitors. 3) I would argue that Paul would actually be weaker with less than 2 months of training. I'm talking about developing tendon strength not muscular strength. Although most improvements muscular wise would be neural in nature anyway without any increase in CSA of muscle fibers. The neural adaptations would allow more motor unit recruitment of said fibers with nearly zero increase in tendon strength (density). This is due to the biological makeup of a tendon versus a muscle. Just doesn't work the same. Time (3 to 1) to develop being the main factor. See you there David. Edited February 8, 2011 by Mighty Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross Love Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 Paul tried to con me into the arm wrestling so I would be worn out for the grip events haha... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Knight Posted February 9, 2011 Author Share Posted February 9, 2011 Paul tried to con me into the arm wrestling so I would be worn out for the grip events haha... hahaha.... I tried.... okay .. what Joe said and I just talked to Geoff and he said the same thing ... that some of the novice guys shouldn't be competing in the novice class and that thay are REAL good. Crap! now I'm thinking I could get injured ... screw it ... man up! just don't expect fireworks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cemery Posted February 9, 2011 Share Posted February 9, 2011 Paul, don't do it. You might get your feelings hurt and run home crying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burke77 Posted February 9, 2011 Share Posted February 9, 2011 I think as long as Pual is not trying achieve something great in his first aw tourney, he will be fine. I saw a picture that he was also an MMA fighter, I believe he knows when he is ready or when he should wait. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mightyjoe Posted February 11, 2011 Share Posted February 11, 2011 I think as long as Pual is not trying achieve something great in his first aw tourney, he will be fine. I saw a picture that he was also an MMA fighter, I believe he knows when he is ready or when he should wait. Most anyone new to arm wrestling THINKS they're ready until the next workout after the tournament. LOL!!! Mike Tyson once said, "Everyone has a plan until they get hit." No different in arm wrestling. Just a different type of hit. One thing for sure. We will SOON find out how Paul fairs during and after. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brujeria Posted February 11, 2011 Share Posted February 11, 2011 Go for it Paul! Great to see top gripster armwrestling! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darthsith19 Posted February 26, 2011 Share Posted February 26, 2011 It's just novice, go for it Paul good luck!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Knight Posted February 28, 2011 Author Share Posted February 28, 2011 Looking forward to seeing the Paul Knight Show on the table! If you're worried about the elbow, try pulling in a posting top roll. It's pretty easy on it compared to other moves. With this move, regarding your elbow, just be wary of a press. If someone throws a flopped wrist press on you and your wrist isn't locked like a front lever, it puts a TREMENDOUS amt of pressure on your elbow. The key is keeping your wrist locked (like a front lever) because if it's not, you can still feel like you have total hand control but the pressure on your elbow with increase dramatically and there's a good chance you'll pop your MCL. You can play with it with bands and see what I'm talking about or I'm sure Joe could show you in 10 sec. I am a top roller (I discovered today) ... I had my first real pulling session and I felt great! I am very happy with how I did. According to the guys I armwrestled with today, they said I should do very good. Josh, you nailed it. When I top rolled, I had little to no pain in my elbow, but whenever I got caught in a hook, I could immediatly feel stress in my elbow. As long as I pull w/a top roll, I think my elbow should be good. Besides I'm 3 times as strong in a top roll. I'm excited. we pulled for probably 2 hours off and on ... my elbow feels a little squirly, but not to bad considering. However, I'll have to see how it feels in 3 days or so, cause that's usually when the pain starts kicking in. I guess we'll see Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jad Posted February 28, 2011 Share Posted February 28, 2011 Glad to hear it's working for you! I think you'll do well with your hand and wrist strength. Unless some insecure pro pulls novice I'll predict you win your class. Here's a video demononstrating the bad position I was talking about with my other post. The guy on the right (Shane) does exactly what you DON'T want to do/what I was warning about. BTW, he confirmed later he tore up his elbow. The ligiament ripped a piece of bone off and he's out for awhile. Notice how he looks like he's in total control but from a front lever standpoint you can see his wrist is actually flopped. That's when the pressure starts and bad things happen. I've done this once to each elbow (not sure if it was MCL tear or small fracture like Shane) but the left took about 9 months before I could get back on the table and the right a good 3. You'll still feel like your in total control and very comfortable and then it will just pop. Keep your wrist locked if someone is pressing you, if you can't, I'd just lay down or maybe slip, especially with your elbow. http://www.youtube.com/user/ozark4ever#p/a/u/2/9tmZ3tMMMaY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueviper42 Posted February 28, 2011 Share Posted February 28, 2011 Mike Tyson once said, "Everyone has a plan until they get hit." Any time someone works in a Mike Tyson quote, you know it's going to be a good post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Knight Posted February 28, 2011 Author Share Posted February 28, 2011 Glad to hear it's working for you! I think you'll do well with your hand and wrist strength. Unless some insecure pro pulls novice I'll predict you win your class. Here's a video demononstrating the bad position I was talking about with my other post. The guy on the right (Shane) does exactly what you DON'T want to do/what I was warning about. BTW, he confirmed later he tore up his elbow. The ligiament ripped a piece of bone off and he's out for awhile. Notice how he looks like he's in total control but from a front lever standpoint you can see his wrist is actually flopped. That's when the pressure starts and bad things happen. I've done this once to each elbow (not sure if it was MCL tear or small fracture like Shane) but the left took about 9 months before I could get back on the table and the right a good 3. You'll still feel like your in total control and very comfortable and then it will just pop. Keep your wrist locked if someone is pressing you, if you can't, I'd just lay down or maybe slip, especially with your elbow. http://www.youtube.c...u/2/9tmZ3tMMMaY so what do you do what someone does the flopped wrist press? ... do you know of another video where someone beats that technique? Thanks in advance BTW ... anyone else from the GB going besides Joe? David, I can't remember ... did you say you were going? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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