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Wannagrip

My office is turning into a grip training place at lunch time. :) We had four guys in there today.  One guy closed the BBM after one month of training this week. Another guy who works in my group closed the #2 first time.  

My friend is not a genetic wonder by any means.  He is however, right from the start, not doing things in the "typical paradigm" of training twice a week yada yada.  I think both of them can make a serious run at closing a  #3.

There is one other guy who is competing with one of the others.  We are all in the same dept. What have I started! HAH!

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Sybersnott

Well.... hello "Doctor Frankenstein"..... what do expect?!?  :)

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Guest todd_xxxx

"not training twice a week".  I'ld be interested in how they are training.

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Wannagrip

The one guy...at least once a day. Many times twice.

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Guest AghastGrip

That just points right back to the idea that people should just experiment and see what works for them! Everyone is different, and some people may benefit with more frequent training than others. If it isn't working for you, just try something different! It's as simple as that I believe really.

                   

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Wannagrip

I think it goes beyond that.  I believe that increased frequency when it comes to grip is the ticket for fastest progress. And, the reason why it works for some versus others is that you have to deal with the issue of not being a full strength or making gains each workout.  Most won't continue on such a program for that reason and with the contradiction of the norm for number of workouts per week, it is enought to stop someone dead in their tracks in using such a program.

 I don't believe I am special nor is the guy who is making such rapid gains that I work with.  Talk about apples and oranges even from a physique standpoint. :)  I am going to stick the other new guy on a similar program.  My bet would be he'll be closing the BBM inside of two weeks.   It will only be three samples, but don't you think it will be just a little coincidental?

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Guest kINGPIN

I think that one of the reasons that progress on the grippers is so fast is that it takes a while to learn the tecnique.  Once you learn that properly a huge jump on the grippers closure can be achieved.  After that, it is like when a person first starts bodybuilding.  They get strong very quickly and even put on a bit of muscle very quickly.  But after a while they start to taper off and gains come a little slower.  This can lower the persons sense of achievment and possibly make them contemplate quiting.  This is where the real test starts.  It is the person that carries on and fights through that barrier that will achieve the greatest feats.

Just my opiniion, hope it made sense. :)

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Guest

Here is my disclaimer once again:  I'm pretty new to grip work, so this is the opinion of a guy without a lot of experience.  I made great progress by training daily, or almost daily.  When I got the trainer, I couldn't close it.  I could within a couple days though.  I progressed a little slowly to closing the one 'cuz I was busy and lost interest for a while due to numerous personal problems.  When I got back to it, I progressed pretty quickly thru the 1 and can now close the #2.  During this time, while I didn't have much of a set routine, I would warm up a couple sets on the trainer, hit the #1, give the two a few tries 'til I could do it.  I did this almost daily and it seems to work for me.

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Wannagrip

Update: one minute ago Eric closed the BBM BOTH right and left handed.

Understand guys he is no genetic phenom.....

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Wannagrip

Oh yeah...my BBM is truly somewhere in between a 2 and a 3.  Just in case someone might be thinking I have a weak BBM. ;)

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Guest AghastGrip

Very impressive. I bet he has a definite chance at the #3! Has he given it a try to see how close he can get yet?

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Wannagrip

He's never tried it outright...just some forced close attempts.  He can hold it less than 1/2 inch.

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Guest Harlan Jacobs

How does the BBM compare with Lemley's ? I have made great progress with my lemley's gripper.I done 3 reps with it last week  and at 1/16" away from the #3.

IT WON'T BE LONG.

       Have a good one !

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Guest Russell Latterman

Closed a BB Master after one month of training?  He must have done a lot of manual labor or something that would give him a strong grip.  Otherwise it is because of genetics.  On March 3rd I closed the #2 once after 6 moths of training.  On may 10th I closed it for two reps.  For about 3 1/2 months I've been training every day.  Now I CAN'T close the #2 and I haven't closed it in over a month.  I've gotten closer on my #3 though (which was fully seasoned a few months ago) and I have a faster recovery to soreness and injury.  I haven't really gotten stronger though.  This type of training doesn't work for me yet.  I think I will start making real progress in about 3 more months.  I highly doubt that training every day will work easily for most people.  Your body has to make it work.

And again.  BBM in 1 month?!  How?

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Wannagrip

See above.

No, he didn't do a lot of manual labor.

Genetics!?  You should see him...nope. He's determined as #### though.

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Guest AghastGrip

Well, having good genetics doesn't nessecarily entail having the look of a bodybuilder or anything.

:) Perhaps he simply has a natural ability to recover faster than the average person, or has a base level of natural hand strength above others.

How old is he? Age has a definite bearing the body's ability to recover from workouts, injuries, etc. There are so many factors when it comes to any type of strength training that it becomes really difficult to pinpoint why one person is more successful with certain types of training than another.

                              -Zack-

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Wannagrip

He's 36.  

You guys can believe what you want.  :biggrin:

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Wannagrip

Russell, you should not train every day.  You have to play with the body "alarm" system.  

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Guest Russell Latterman

Body alarm system eh?

How exactly would I keep the alarm system from making me weaker, rather than stronger?

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Wannagrip

Over your workouts, you have to increase volume or poundage slowly and carefully and then pick your rest periods after this build up.  Then, hopefully a rebound will occur.

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Guest kINGPIN

Like AghastGrip says, good genetics does not have to mean the look of a bodybuilder or the natural mesomophic shape.  Sometimes you do get really skinny people who are very strong due to a number of factors mentioned above.  Two points about genetics that have'nt been mentioned yet are neuromuscular efficiency and tendon attachments.  

Neuromuscular efficiency is simply the brains ability to send its movement messages to more muscle fibres telling them to contract.

Anyone trying to close the CoC's will spend ages trying to get the right grip that will give the best leverage on the gripper.  But if someone has his tendons attached in an advantagous place then he already has a naturally good leverage and any change of grip to also add to the increased closing efficiency will give him a harder squeeze then someone with the same strength tendons and muscles and hold on the gripper who has his tendon attachments in a different place.

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Wannagrip

Update: We now have a total of 3 guys here of all shapes and sizes going for the #3.  Within 2-3 weeks, my estimate is each should be capable of closing my BBM.

We must have really good water around here too! :biggrin:

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AnimalCage

My predictions:  1)In the coming year, we will see a flood of newcomers with the ability to start at the higher levels, as Wannagrip's work group, and  2)  The number of CoC's will increase dramatically.  

I base my predictions on the growing popularity of grip work, fed by the success and professionlism of this site and the grip competitions.  I'm sure there are many out there who can achieve quickly, they simply don't realize there is a grip world out there.   I also drew a rough hyperbolic curve on CoC achievement over the past 10 years.

Just so this post isn't a lot of smoke-blowing, I'd like to throw out some numbers.   It took 10 years to reach 50 Coc's.   I predict 59 by year's end, and an additional 26 next year, for a total of 85 Coc's by the end of 2002.  The magic 100 will be reached in March 2003.

My third prediction is that I will be one of them.  I'm hoping for this year, but maybe early next.  At least I have some control over that one!

(Edited by AnimalCage at 5:22 pm on Sep. 20, 2001)

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Tom Black

    I just wanted everyone to know that I also have adopted this program.  The first thing I did was take a 9 day rest (partly caused by outside events) and then cut back on my main workout that I did last Sunday, only doing grippers and vertical bar lifts.  I then began the program on Monday.  On that day I could barely close the #2, since I did high volume grippers the day before.  On Tuesday the #2 was easy, but I missed the Master by 1/16".  On Wednesday I closed the Master followed by 4-reps on the #2.  On Thursday I did the Master followed by a #3 attempt and convincingly followed by 5 reps on the #2.  From this I can tell that I am not ready for #3 attempts each day, maybe in a week.  Now, of course, throughout the week I was still recovering from the main workout on Sunday, that is why I went from barely closing the #2 to five reps on the #2.   The interesting thing about the program that I honestly feel that as long as I don't do too much each day that I can do at least as much as the day before without slipping backwards.  I think my mistake in the past was jumping into the daily training after doing my typical workout on the weekend.  By doing a shorter workout Sunday my hands did not feel sore during the week and I progressed each day.

  One time about 2 months ago Wannagrip compared his weekly volume of gripper training to my one workout weekly training.  Other than the warm-ups, the number of his attempts on the heavy grippers were very close to mine.  I think this is a very key observation, and may indicate why someone would not over train on this program.

I think that the additional practice on the grippers may also be useful.  While I don't think I have any technique problems, I think that the daily practice keeps me sharper.  

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Wannagrip

Tom's is observing what I had as well.  The other point is learning when to take your rest period and how long it has to be to get a "rebound".  The buildup should progress during the week and then BOOM...Rest.  However, you need to be careful with the buildup as well and not get too crazy with adding volume.  The goal over a longer period of time is either addtional volume or weight (using a plate loader).  

Interesting I read this morn in an old MILO about Matt Klingsporn doing the grippers 3 times per day!

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