ruffhans Posted August 11, 2004 Share Posted August 11, 2004 hear'n alot of Pavel,...will his training secrets for streangth help in grip feats? yes or no dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mobsterone Posted August 11, 2004 Share Posted August 11, 2004 I enjoyed an article he did on www.t-mag.com years back which used grip as it basis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sybersnott Posted August 11, 2004 Share Posted August 11, 2004 If a handshake is any indication of pure grip strength, Pavel has it in spades. I shook his hand at the AOBS in June and he's got one of the most impressive handshakes I've ever felt. It was powerful and very strong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonL Posted August 11, 2004 Share Posted August 11, 2004 Grip wise I know Pavels always does Deadlifts and does COC grippers often. JasonL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruffhans Posted August 11, 2004 Author Share Posted August 11, 2004 what i wanted to know was not so much what Pavel does for grip as what has he to offer about streangth. does he give anything in his books as far as functoinal streangth that could help in feats,..bending, thick bar, ext.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BJones Posted August 12, 2004 Share Posted August 12, 2004 ruffhans, Pavel has a lot of info on pressurization and force production and the techniques transfer to a wide range of activities. Naked Warrior is probably the best resource for the info - Power to the People also has some info in it. Hope this helps Brett Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dumnorix Posted August 12, 2004 Share Posted August 12, 2004 Pavel thinks grip is a good test of strength, period. Makes sense for a kettlebell/deadlift fan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seekingstrength Posted August 12, 2004 Share Posted August 12, 2004 I have Pavel's Power to the People and I like alot of what he has to say. The best information I got from the book is about tensing your whole body before and during your lift. The surrounding muscles are supposed activate more neural pathways and in this way increase strength. He call it hyperradiation. I found this tensing to be helpful in my grip training. Hope this helps. Keith Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mingmen Posted August 12, 2004 Share Posted August 12, 2004 I read that too. It doesn't make much sense to me however, I would imagine/figure that relaxing the body AMAP before the intended action would allow more explosive force to be applied. It is certainly this way for punching. We don't tense before a punch unless you are a rank beginner. Maybe it's apples and oranges but that's my take. Michael Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dumnorix Posted August 12, 2004 Share Posted August 12, 2004 (edited) I read that too. It doesn't make much sense to me however, I would imagine/figure that relaxing the body AMAP before the intended action would allow more explosive force to be applied.It is certainly this way for punching. We don't tense before a punch unless you are a rank beginner. Maybe it's apples and oranges but that's my take. Michael Punching requires a quick impulse of strength, no where near what you are capable of. Pavel's training is slow, deliberate, and requires as much tension as you can muster for a longer period. My opinion is that you should train Pavel's way for the tools (strength), and train martial arts technique to learn to apply them. I found my speed in throwing, jumping, and hitting increased from his Power to the People training. From what I hear, Pavel can hit pretty hard too. But then again, I am a rank beginner in the M.A. [Edited to make verb tenses agree.] Edited August 12, 2004 by Dumnorix Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mingmen Posted August 12, 2004 Share Posted August 12, 2004 One way to generate power for punching could be this "impulse". No argument. There are other ways however. I believe Pavel's training would be useful in gaining more strength. A pro boxer certainly doen't tense anytime during the action. If he did this would tremendously limit his ability to react to any "incoming". The boxer generally hits with his frame/skeleton i.e not muscular tension. Some more sophisticated MA's teach this too. i.e. "short power" This was a difficult concept to grasp. That is until I was hit by a relaxed punch. Not the right way. Just different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solan Posted August 12, 2004 Share Posted August 12, 2004 Intelligently used, Pavel's approach works for grip. But grip seems to take to negatives, training to failure and the like better than bigger bodyparts, so you can do even better by tweaking the right variables. It's called ... KTA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BJones Posted August 12, 2004 Share Posted August 12, 2004 Mingmen, Power to the People is focues on developing strength - tension = strength but relaxation = speed The key to athletics is balancing tension and relaxation - something we teach in kettlebell training. Brett Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mingmen Posted August 12, 2004 Share Posted August 12, 2004 The balance is relative but age has a great deal to do with how the ratios of tension to relaxation are calculated. What happens when you can no longer efficiently express tension.....The entire dynamic changes, No? I guess this is a conversation for another thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BJones Posted August 12, 2004 Share Posted August 12, 2004 Mingmen Please explain what you mean by the balance being relative to age - Through continued training you should still be able to express tension - there are many "older" martail arts masters who still perform at very high levels. One reason why strength should always be a priority in any training. Brett Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrzero Posted August 12, 2004 Share Posted August 12, 2004 Naked Warrior has some good advice for any strength athlete, in fact I wouldn't fault any of his books (though the others are much more specialized than NW.) I use alot of his techniques in all my workouts. Don't expect it to be a magic bullet that will let you go from nothing to closing the CoC 4, but it'll help. The thing I hear is that if you really want to work grip specifically go KTA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mingmen Posted August 14, 2004 Share Posted August 14, 2004 Mingmen Please explain what you mean by the balance being relative to age - Through continued training you should still be able to express tension - Brett there are many "older" martail arts masters who still perform at very high levels.One reason why strength should always be a priority in any training. Well the written word is not the ideal "forum" for a discussion of MA mechanisms. Simply those high level practitioner's have for the most part shifted away from training which depends on breaking down and building up(traditional strength training) and are probably training in a way not to further their ineviable decline. In short the body changes. So does the training! Of course there are genetic superman who can continue forever with no injuries and infinite gains. This is not about them..... This is probably as controversial as religion and/or politics so I will just bow out of this discussion. One doesn't go into a Mosque and shout, "Jesus be praised"! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mingmen Posted August 15, 2004 Share Posted August 15, 2004 I meant inevitable Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solan Posted August 17, 2004 Share Posted August 17, 2004 Alerted Pavel's forum about this thread, and got a tension technique tip from Pavel: Pavel's grip tip Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrik_F Posted August 18, 2004 Share Posted August 18, 2004 One doesn't go into a Mosque and shout, "Jesus be praised"! Actually, you can! Jesus is one of the most important and prominent prophets in the Koran. I understand your point though I like Pavels ideas and routines a lot and with some tweaks they are very good for increasing grip strength and/or any other strength. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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