Straps With A Im #2 And 2,5 Kg

[Florian Kellersmann]

Straps with a IM #2 and 2,5 kg: What do you think is a good time (in competition) ?

[kyle102887]

Umm, maybe 3-5 minutes. Because so many people can close the #3 that strapholds with about 5lbs. using the #2 would probably not be that hard for some. Still it would be hard for me though cause I haven't closed the #2 yet.

[Darco]

Well Florian, I'm no expert but if you can do a straphold with 2.5 Kilo's for 30 seconds I would say you have a damn good grip. In competition might be a whole different story,

and 5 minutes seems almost impossible and if somebody proves me wrong well it would still be better than just "good". Damn right amazing strength endurance....

Edited April 28, 2004 by Darco

[kyle102887]

Correct me if I am wrong 2.5 kilos is roughly 5 lbs right? So if someone could straphold 35 lbs on the #3 (Heath), and also hold that weight for a minute how would a 5 lbs straphold on a #2 gripper be that hard. On the other hand there arn't many people who straphold 35 lbs. on the #3. So maybe use 15 or 20 lbs instead, it would still make the 5 lbs straphold on the #2 seem a lot easier. Correct? And Darco maybe you didn't read the post right he said the IM #2 not the IM #3. But don't in anyway get me wrong I am not trying to degrade the ability to do a straphold with the #2. I am just saying that in a competition there will probably be a lot of #3 closers. Also as I have said before I can't close the #2 yet so I cannot really say strapholds using it with 5 lbs is not good, all I am saying is that for a competition it is not a good Idea.

Unless Florian you are making the contest yourself with just you and your friends?

The ability to be able to do it is really good, but for a competition I don't think it is a good Idea.

I think maybe 2 to 3 minutes is a good time to hold the weight if your in a competition. I geuss it depends on the strap.

[Davekline]

Correct me if I am wrong 2.5 kilos is roughly 5 lbs right?

That is absolutely incorrect. Pound is a unit of force. While Kilogram is a unit of mass. Weigth is the force excerted by a gravitational field on an object and is dependent on the mass of the object being weighed and on the mass of the object excerting the gravitational field.

However, to say that it the earth excerts aproximately 2.2 pounds of gravitational force on an object of 1kg mass is correct.

It's all a matter of physics, which can result in some heavy reading at times.

[daniel_lidstrom]

Correct me if I am wrong 2.5 kilos is roughly 5 lbs right?

That is absolutely incorrect. Pound is a unit of force. While Kilogram is a unit of mass. Weigth is the force excerted by a gravitational field on an object and is dependent on the mass of the object being weighed and on the mass of the object excerting the gravitational field.

However, to say that it the earth excerts aproximately 2.2 pounds of gravitational force on an object of 1kg mass is correct.

It's all a matter of physics, which can result in some heavy reading at times.

Until we start having grip-contests on the moon, I think it would be correct to say that 1 lb equals 0.45 kg. Lbf (pound-force) equals 4.45 kg*m/s^2 while lb (avoirdupois pound) equals 0.45 kg.

[kyle102887]

Davekline, You are trying to get people confused. I have a 5 pound plate right by me and it says 2.3 kilos. Why would you say I am incorrect when you hopefuly know we are talking about a weight plates, and not your other object that my result in a differnt reading or pounage on the moon.

[kyle102887]

I have just realized how this topic has gone off course sorry Florian.

[Davekline]

Until we start having grip-contests on the moon, I think it would be correct to say that 1 lb equals 0.45 kg.

You are also incorrect, the poundage rating of a gripper is the amount of force required to close it. Since the gripper does not depend on a gravitational field to excert this force, an IM trainer will still require 100lbs. of force to close reguardless of where the person is attempting the close.

You cannot measure weight or any other force in kg, it is simply the wrong unit to use. You cannot say that the IM trainer requires 45.4 kg to close because that fundamentally doesn't make any sence. The metric unit for force is the Newton. For refference an IM trainer requires 445 N to close.

[Rick Browne]

You are also incorrect, the poundage rating of a gripper is the amount of force required to close it. Since the gripper does not depend on a gravitational field to excert this force, an IM trainer will still require 100lbs. of force to close reguardless of where the person is attempting the close.

Clarify it further and state that it is foot pounds and or inch pounds

of torque to move a torsion spring

[tspinillo]

Slugs, Newtons, grams, torque etc - I feel like I'm in physics class

But in my basement when I put my 5 Kilo plate on the scale it weighs about

11 pounds.

T

[brolly]

threads got a bit pedantic...

in terms of a vertical hanging object on earth (which is what the straphold is) then

2.5kg under gravity is the same as 5 pounds (approx).

Surely Daniel was actually correct as he was talking about the hanging object as per topic .

Noone mentioned gripper 'poundages' so not really any need to explain that as it only confuses the matter in hand - that being straphold of a given weight (sorry hanging mass under a certain gravitational force)

Anyway, I have no idea what a good time is as i can't yet close the #2

Better go to bed its too late for me to do any 'mass training'.

[Davekline]

I think it would be correct to say that 1 lb equals 0.45 kg. Lbf (pound-force) equals 4.45 kg*m/s^2 while lb (avoirdupois pound) equals 0.45 kg.

In the "Customary English System", which is an ironic name because the English don't use it, the unit of mass is the slug, not the pound. 1 slug = 14.59 kg

[Jeff T]

If my memory serves me correctly Nick McKinless won the gripper event at the 2002 Aus Grip Champs by holding 2.5kg for about 40 seconds I think (someone tell me if I'm wrong). If you're reading Nick or Arthur maybe you remember better than me?

Nobody else at the time could close a #3, so maybe he could've lasted longer if he was pushed, but judging by a photo I've got it looked pretty hard.

The strap was pretty thin.

I'll try it this afternoon and post my time.

[Jeff T]

Just tried it and got 32 seconds. I had a lot of trouble getting the strap in place, took 3-4 attempts just to start.

I would say over 60 seconds would be a solid time in competition. But I haven't trained grippers since November so it's hard to tell.

[Davekline]

The second of course being defined as a unit of time equal to 9192631770 periods of radiation from cesium-133 atoms.

Since we seem to be stumbling over the definition of various units and measurements.

[kyle102887]

Okay this is getting really getting stupid. He asked what a good time in competition was while strapholding the #2 with 2.5 kilos (5 pounds) I give him a answer. Then Davekline you try to make things complicated by saying that a 2.5 kilos weight plate isn't approximately 5 lbs., now the topic has gotten out of hand by ( no disrespect intended) someone who is trying to sound smart. Please stop saying all the stuff about the tourqe is realative to the speed at which the hand moves to your face as you get punched. So please this is all interesting an what not but it is not the topic at hand so please don't reply to this and say it is totaly wrong because I used the wrong chemical equation to write it.

[AP]

Hehe

Kyle Howell is mad about absurd and nonsensical posts!

Its been a long time since your 'who would win Kyle or Brzenk' poll hasn't it?

Congratulations on graduating from newbie status!

[Guest gripmaster316]

This topic is getting a just a tad off topic

Florian to answer your question, I think a minute would be pretty good time for 2.5 kilos.

Kyle when you beat John Brzenk in an arm wrestle, I will personally strive to be the first man to grip train on the moon

Edited April 29, 2004 by gripmaster316

[odin]

Could someone please help out who is interested in providing guidance to an enthusiatic teenage gripster? Using the forum as a source for "narcissistic supply" is ok, but attempting to make others feel stupid is not.

EDIT: gripmaster316's last post is a good example of helping.

Edited April 29, 2004 by odin

[Guest gripmaster316]

I am sorry Odin, but it was wayyyy to tempting, I am mean come on, a poll referring to a match between Kyle and Brzenk? The G-Board is not a place for such foolishness. I would like to think that serious grip issues are talked about here and not some possiblity that a kid can beat the greatest arm wrestler of all time.

Edited April 29, 2004 by gripmaster316

[odin]

You made a good and helpful post gripmaster316. I don't think you were trying to make Kyle feel stupid at all, just teasing him in a good-natured way in the process of answering.