North American Grip Rankings - Updated 10/28/24

[Eric Roussin]

October is a rich month for contest result analysis. Here's the latest update of the North American Grip Rankings. Discussion is welcome.

https://www.canadagripsport.com/rankings.html

[Nuttgens]

1 hour ago, Eric Roussin said:

October is a rich month for contest result analysis. Here's the latest update of the North American Grip Rankings. Discussion is welcome.

https://www.canadagripsport.com/rankings.html

Thanks Eric. These lists keep getting harder and harder to climb. 

[Vinnie]

1 hour ago, Eric Roussin said:

Discussion is welcome.

It is really fun to look at the various contest results and rankings and see how things relate.  I noticed, for example, that I was 9th in the 83kg weight class in King Kong and came up 9th in the 83kg North American rankings.  That makes some sense, although 2 of the 8 that beat me in King Kong were not from North America, and two of the folks ahead of me on the list were not at King Kong, so I am wondering how that got computed (I have no doubt that it was computed reasonably, and I don't quibble with it, I just wonder what went into it and I am totally fine if it was just gut feeling).

I also noticed that I was 9th in the 83kg class, but I placed just ahead in the overall standings of Ryan, who is 9th in the 93kg class.  That might (but does not automatically) suggest that I'd have been 9th in the 93kg class as well as the 83kg.  That makes some sense, too, because Carter (by winning the whole shebang from the 83kg class) almost doesn't really count as 83kg, since he is something of an outlier, and makes the whole class stronger on average than 93, so that 9th in 83 beats 9th in 93.  

As far as the top folks go, it is interesting that Carter won the comp overall, and beat Jason Dingey, but Jason still comes out ahead of Carter as an overall ranking despite losing to him in KK, but yet Jaland beat Jason in King Kong and still does not come out ahead of either JD or CC in the overall.  Also not challenging the choices made there, just observing the apparent contradiction and assuming there is method behind it.  Dingey, for example, would like crush Carter on grippers and axle, and two-handed heavy lifts generally.  But, so would Jaland.  Again, I respect Eric's familiarity with the sport and its athletes and his intellect, so I don't doubt these rankings are rational and fair.  I just enjoy ruminating over them and wondering how things fit.

Thank you, Eric, for adding so much to this sport in promoting, documenting, and reporting, all for free, as a person who cares to keep this all alive.

Cheers all.

Edited October 28 by Vinnie

[Vinnie]

12 minutes ago, Nuttgens said:

These lists keep getting harder and harder to climb.

Try slipping back down then, sir.  I've found that much easier!

[Eric Roussin]

4 minutes ago, Vinnie said:

It is really fun to look at the various contest results and rankings and see how things relate.  I noticed, for example, that I was 9th in the 83kg weight class in King Kong and came up 9th in the 83kg North American rankings.  That makes some sense, although 2 of the 8 that beat me in King Kong were not from North America, and two of the folks ahead of me on the list were not at King Kong, so I am wondering how that got computed (I have no doubt that it was computed reasonably, and I don't quibble with it, I just wonder what went into it and I am totally fine if it was just gut feeling).

I also noticed that I was 9th in the 83kg class, but I placed just ahead in the overall standings of Ryan, who is 9th in the 93kg class.  That might (but does not automatically) suggest that I'd have been 9th in the 93kg class as well as the 83kg.  That makes some sense, too, because Carter (by winning the whole shebang from the 83kg class) almost doesn't really count as 83kg, since he is something of an outlier, and makes the whole class stronger on average than 93, so that 9th in 83 beats 9th in 93.  

As far as the top folks go, it is interesting that Carter won the comp overall, and beat Jason Dingey, but Jason still comes out ahead of Carter as an overall ranking despite losing to him in KK, but yet Jaland beat Jason in King Kong and still does not come out ahead of either JD or CC in the overall.  Also not challenging the choices made there, just observing the apparent contradiction and assuming there is method behind it.  Dingey, for example, would like crush Carter on grippers and axle, and two-handed heavy lifts generally.  But, so would Jaland.  Again, I respect Eric's familiarity with the sport and its athletes and his intellect, so I don't doubt these rankings are rational and fair.  I just enjoy ruminating over them and wondering how things fit.

Thank you, Eric, for adding so much to this sport in promoting, documenting, and reporting, all for free, as a person who cares to keep this all alive.

Cheers all.

I likely won’t be able to get around to typing a detailed response to your specific examples in the next day or two, but for now I’ll say just a few things that can result in apparent rankings weirdness. One is that I’m making an effort to consider armlifting contests as well, and more specifically, two-hand lifts. The other is that not all weight classes are equally deep.

The easiest guys to rank are those who compete often in a variety of contests. It’s much harder to figure out exactly where someone exactly fits if they compete only once or twice a year and don’t attend certain contests. So imperfect rankings can result.

[Vinnie]

Just now, Eric Roussin said:

I likely won’t be able to get around to typing a detailed response to your specific examples in the next day or two, but for now I’ll say just a few things that can result in apparent rankings weirdness. One is that I’m making an effort to consider armlifting contests as well, and more specifically, two-hand lifts. The other is that not all weight classes are equally deep.

The easiest guys to rank are those who compete often in a variety of contests. It’s much harder to figure out exactly where someone exactly fits if they compete only once or twice a year and don’t attend certain contests. So imperfect rankings can result.

There is no need for a more detailed answer than that, which already makes perfect sense, unless you are just into the geekiness of describing further.  

[Douglas Carney]

53 minutes ago, Eric Roussin said:

I likely won’t be able to get around to typing a detailed response to your specific examples in the next day or two, but for now I’ll say just a few things that can result in apparent rankings weirdness. One is that I’m making an effort to consider armlifting contests as well, and more specifically, two-hand lifts. The other is that not all weight classes are equally deep.

The easiest guys to rank are those who compete often in a variety of contests. It’s much harder to figure out exactly where someone exactly fits if they compete only once or twice a year and don’t attend certain contests. So imperfect rankings can result.

Any plans to do another episode of The GripShow to talk through some of the more noteworthy moves/decisions?

[stranger]

Happy to announce i went from 11th in the 120kg class to 11th in the 105kg class. #Mr.consistent 

 

In all seriousness,  thanks for for putting your time and effort into this. It's cool to see and motivating to shoot for.

[Amy]

8 hours ago, Eric Roussin said:

I likely won’t be able to get around to typing a detailed response to your specific examples in the next day or two, but for now I’ll say just a few things that can result in apparent rankings weirdness. One is that I’m making an effort to consider armlifting contests as well, and more specifically, two-hand lifts. The other is that not all weight classes are equally deep.

The easiest guys to rank are those who compete often in a variety of contests. It’s much harder to figure out exactly where someone exactly fits if they compete only once or twice a year and don’t attend certain contests. So imperfect rankings can result.

I am unclear on a few things. Couple of questions if you don't mind....is this for the 2024 calendar year or back to 1 year ago from today's date? I am sure there's a word for that. Also, this is based primarily on grip sport participation?  

 

Thanks!

[JasonD]

2 hours ago, Amy said:

I am unclear on a few things. Couple of questions if you don't mind....is this for the 2024 calendar year or back to 1 year ago from today's date? I am sure there's a word for that. Also, this is based primarily on grip sport participation?  

 

Thanks!

Until Eric answers, I’ll tell you that he typically updates his rankings 3-4 times a year. He looks at results from GSI and Armlifting contests.