CoC 3 CCS Attempt

[Grip O Holic]

https://youtube.com/shorts/rmQMuVLewUQ?si=c3xe9wLlrb3TeeRL

I turn 16 soon and I’m hoping to get the cert before the end of January 

[C8Myotome]

I downloaded to watch at 25% speed. I would call this closed, as brief as it is if it touches it was closed. Around 20 seconds in. Even though you're using front lighting, the more ambient lighting in the room the better. Also work on your foot and body placement and keeping it consistent to show a consistent angle to the camera, as you moved your hand closer to the camera you rotated left perspective wise which made the close harder to see. When you use a good angle you don't need to move closer to the camera at all. I would say realistically though you're 1-2 years away from doing close to 160 ccs to be prepared for the cert. As far as I'm concerned you have ccs'd a coc 3 in training now, so congrats

[Grip O Holic]

12 minutes ago, C8Myotome said:

I downloaded to watch at 25% speed. I would call this closed, as brief as it is if it touches it was closed. Around 20 seconds in. Even though you're using front lighting, the more ambient lighting in the room the better. Also work on your foot and body placement and keeping it consistent to show a consistent angle to the camera, as you moved your hand closer to the camera you rotated left perspective wise which made the close harder to see. When you use a good angle you don't need to move closer to the camera at all. I would say realistically though you're 1-2 years away from doing close to 160 ccs to be prepared for the cert. As far as I'm concerned you have ccs'd a coc 3 in training now, so congrats

I think I could work on my angles and placement but for how far I am from actually certifying at most I’m 6 months away

[degradated]

6 hours ago, Grip O Holic said:

I think I could work on my angles and placement but for how far I am from actually certifying at most I’m 6 months away

Nice demonstration, very strong! How long have you been training? I wouldn't call that a fail, it was brief but @C8Myotome has shown that the handles appear to touch. That being said, 142 would be considered a light #3, as Cannon's data shows 137 as the lowest they have tested from 1000 total (highest being 161). Not that I disagree with you: you could totally be ready within 6 months but it will take extensive training and the ability to jump at least 15 pounds in difficulty (comfortably). Ironmind's quality control in terms of consistency with ratings isn't perfect out of the package... It would be a shame to fail the cert if you get an especially hard gripper that falls near the max rating. I'm not totally sure how Randall handles repeat attempts, but it could set you back even more if you didn't pass the first time.

Anyhow, nice job dude, keep pursuing it and you could surpass us all in the future being that strong at your age. Personally, at 42, I am driven to eventually be on the 3.5 + 4 list before I turn 50. At the tender age of only 15, with the right know-how, dedication and equipment, you could do incredible things. 👍🏻

[Alawadhi]

11 hours ago, Grip O Holic said:

https://youtube.com/shorts/rmQMuVLewUQ?si=c3xe9wLlrb3TeeRL

I turn 16 soon and I’m hoping to get the cert before the end of January 

Congratulations. That is strong especially at 15!

11 hours ago, C8Myotome said:

I downloaded to watch at 25% speed. I would call this closed, as brief as it is if it touches it was closed. Around 20 seconds in. Even though you're using front lighting, the more ambient lighting in the room the better. Also work on your foot and body placement and keeping it consistent to show a consistent angle to the camera, as you moved your hand closer to the camera you rotated left perspective wise which made the close harder to see. When you use a good angle you don't need to move closer to the camera at all. I would say realistically though you're 1-2 years away from doing close to 160 ccs to be prepared for the cert. As far as I'm concerned you have ccs'd a coc 3 in training now, so congrats

Nice advice. I admit that capturing a good angle for filming a gripper close has been a challenge for me. A tutorial video on this would be greatly appreciated.

Regarding the time frame for closing a hard rated 160 CoC #3, your estimate of 1 to 2 years seems reasonable for an older people. However, considering that he is still young at 15 and continuing to grow stronger and gain strength through training, do you think this might accelerate his progress?

[Grip O Holic]

4 hours ago, degradated said:

Nice demonstration, very strong! How long have you been training? I wouldn't call that a fail, it was brief but @C8Myotome has shown that the handles appear to touch. That being said, 142 would be considered a light #3, as Cannon's data shows 137 as the lowest they have tested from 1000 total (highest being 161). Not that I disagree with you: you could totally be ready within 6 months but it will take extensive training and the ability to jump at least 15 pounds in difficulty (comfortably). Ironmind's quality control in terms of consistency with ratings isn't perfect out of the package... It would be a shame to fail the cert if you get an especially hard gripper that falls near the max rating. I'm not totally sure how Randall handles repeat attempts, but it could set you back even more if you didn't pass the first time.

Anyhow, nice job dude, keep pursuing it and you could surpass us all in the future being that strong at your age. Personally, at 42, I am driven to eventually be on the 3.5 + 4 list before I turn 50. At the tender age of only 15, with the right know-how, dedication and equipment, you could do incredible things. 👍🏻

I’ve only been training a year and have jumped from a 125 2.5 ccs to this weak 3 ccs in 3 months. I plan to be able to ccs my 78mm 156  3 before I go for the cert

[Grip O Holic]

26 minutes ago, Alawadhi said:

Congratulations. That is strong especially at 15!

Nice advice. I admit that capturing a good angle for filming a gripper close has been a challenge for me. A tutorial video on this would be greatly appreciated.

Regarding the time frame for closing a hard rated 160 CoC #3, your estimate of 1 to 2 years seems reasonable for an older people. However, considering that he is still young at 15 and continuing to grow stronger and gain strength through training, do you think this might accelerate his progress?

I get my training from Ivan cuk and have gained lots of strength just in the past 3 months and think I’ll reach CoC 3 cert within 6 months

[Slipshod]

For the long term it may be better to actually not rush it as fast as possible, as tendons do take longer to recover and I know that at least speaking for myself when I was younger, I continued pushing through pain etc when I should have just rested.

That said, if you can keep injury free then with a teenage metabolism and your physical peak years still about 12 years off you should be able to do very well in grip sport

[Grip O Holic]

7 minutes ago, Slipshod said:

For the long term it may be better to actually not rush it as fast as possible, as tendons do take longer to recover and I know that at least speaking for myself when I was younger, I continued pushing through pain etc when I should have just rested.

That said, if you can keep injury free then with a teenage metabolism and your physical peak years still about 12 years off you should be able to do very well in grip sport

I’ve never had pain even once in gripsport so that’s never been an issue.

[C8Myotome]

5 hours ago, Alawadhi said:

Congratulations. That is strong especially at 15!

Nice advice. I admit that capturing a good angle for filming a gripper close has been a challenge for me. A tutorial video on this would be greatly appreciated.

Regarding the time frame for closing a hard rated 160 CoC #3, your estimate of 1 to 2 years seems reasonable for an older people. However, considering that he is still young at 15 and continuing to grow stronger and gain strength through training, do you think this might accelerate his progress?

I'm not sure how much being younger impacts it, but with being young, or new to grippers/strength training comes less overall experience to base expectations off of. Planning on a 5 months timeline to certify CoC 3 after just barely ccs'ing 142 for a millisecond is a lot of work. Even if just doing 156 is the goal (9.9% heavier, which I think 156 is a little bit of an undershoot, I always recommend 158+ because that's what I did), 156 as a 1RM would make 142 become only 91% 1RM.

If today 142 is 1RM which it is, then for comparison 129 RGC would be today's 91%.

So for this 5 month goal to be possible, 142 (as shown in video) will need to become as easy of a future 91% in 5 months, as today's current 91% of 129 RGC is.

I consider it a problem that beginners assume all progress will be as linear and constant as it was for getting noob gains. The lighter grippers or any strength tool you work with, the more margin for error there is. You can lift weights completely wrong, with no intended purpose, and get a bit stronger than the baseline strength required for everyday average life purposes. However, and this should be obvious, the further you stray past what is actually necessary for everyday human life, the harder and harder those gains will be to acquire, and there comes a point of diminishing returns, plateaus happen to everyone at multiple points, which require revamping training approach to target weaknesses continually.

It is just very flawed thinking to think that because your last 15 rgc increase took X long, your next 15 rgc increase will also take X long. It won't, it will take Y long, if it even occurs. No progress is guaranteed, many people (claim to) give grippers or strength training all they've got, and hit their limit. He at least seems to have the determination to train, and has access to getting advice from some of the best to aim him in the right direction, but still your body needs to make adaptations, and I have never been one to mark a calendar date for when I expect to accomplish a strength goal by because if it doesn't happen, I would imagine it would be pretty frustrating. It's great to anticipate wanting to accomplish a goal, but very often unexpected issues arise and it could take a lot longer than initially expected. I would just continue to train and let it happen if it does.

If I were to expect to increase 9% in the next 5 months, I would go from 183 to 199 RGC. At a higher level, that is a huge increase and I don't expect it to happen that soon, if it ever does.

Just don't expect the same speed of going from 2 to 2.5, to apply to 2.5 to 3, or 3 to 3.5, 3.5 to 4 etc...there is a huge difference between closing a light 3, an average 3, a heavy 3, or for any level gripper.

I am suggesting a date range rather than a specific date, of 1-2 years, because I think it's well within his reach, but you have to allow some time for those adaptations to occur, for errors to be made and fixed etc. Otherwise turning your current 100% into 91% by christmas is just quite a reach, and even then, like I said I think 156 is really cutting it close, those brand new 3's out of the package are no joke, they are a lot heavier, in my experience upto 6 lbs heavier, so even if you get one that will end up being average, it will feel like a heavier spectrum one at first..he is not even MMS closing 156 yet much less CCS it, there are a ton of other micro-goals in between right now and where he is aiming to be before going for the cert attempt, and 5 months training once per week is literally only 20 sessions to complete all of those micro-goals. But what do I know.

[Grip O Holic]

13 hours ago, C8Myotome said:

I'm not sure how much being younger impacts it, but with being young, or new to grippers/strength training comes less overall experience to base expectations off of. Planning on a 5 months timeline to certify CoC 3 after just barely ccs'ing 142 for a millisecond is a lot of work. Even if just doing 156 is the goal (9.9% heavier, which I think 156 is a little bit of an undershoot, I always recommend 158+ because that's what I did), 156 as a 1RM would make 142 become only 91% 1RM.

If today 142 is 1RM which it is, then for comparison 129 RGC would be today's 91%.

So for this 5 month goal to be possible, 142 (as shown in video) will need to become as easy of a future 91% in 5 months, as today's current 91% of 129 RGC is.

I consider it a problem that beginners assume all progress will be as linear and constant as it was for getting noob gains. The lighter grippers or any strength tool you work with, the more margin for error there is. You can lift weights completely wrong, with no intended purpose, and get a bit stronger than the baseline strength required for everyday average life purposes. However, and this should be obvious, the further you stray past what is actually necessary for everyday human life, the harder and harder those gains will be to acquire, and there comes a point of diminishing returns, plateaus happen to everyone at multiple points, which require revamping training approach to target weaknesses continually.

It is just very flawed thinking to think that because your last 15 rgc increase took X long, your next 15 rgc increase will also take X long. It won't, it will take Y long, if it even occurs. No progress is guaranteed, many people (claim to) give grippers or strength training all they've got, and hit their limit. He at least seems to have the determination to train, and has access to getting advice from some of the best to aim him in the right direction, but still your body needs to make adaptations, and I have never been one to mark a calendar date for when I expect to accomplish a strength goal by because if it doesn't happen, I would imagine it would be pretty frustrating. It's great to anticipate wanting to accomplish a goal, but very often unexpected issues arise and it could take a lot longer than initially expected. I would just continue to train and let it happen if it does.

If I were to expect to increase 9% in the next 5 months, I would go from 183 to 199 RGC. At a higher level, that is a huge increase and I don't expect it to happen that soon, if it ever does.

Just don't expect the same speed of going from 2 to 2.5, to apply to 2.5 to 3, or 3 to 3.5, 3.5 to 4 etc...there is a huge difference between closing a light 3, an average 3, a heavy 3, or for any level gripper.

I am suggesting a date range rather than a specific date, of 1-2 years, because I think it's well within his reach, but you have to allow some time for those adaptations to occur, for errors to be made and fixed etc. Otherwise turning your current 100% into 91% by christmas is just quite a reach, and even then, like I said I think 156 is really cutting it close, those brand new 3's out of the package are no joke, they are a lot heavier, in my experience upto 6 lbs heavier, so even if you get one that will end up being average, it will feel like a heavier spectrum one at first..he is not even MMS closing 156 yet much less CCS it, there are a ton of other micro-goals in between right now and where he is aiming to be before going for the cert attempt, and 5 months training once per week is literally only 20 sessions to complete all of those micro-goals. But what do I know.

No you’ll see. At the absolute most 7.5 months if I have to run another 10 week volume strength cycle. This 142 attempt wasn’t at my full potential, it was a random day I felt good and only a day or 2 after grippers.

Edited August 15 by Grip O Holic

[EmilBB]

1 hour ago, Grip O Holic said:

No you’ll see. At the absolute most 7.5 months if I have to run another 10 week volume strength cycle. This 142 attempt wasn’t at my full potential, it was a random day I felt good and only a day or 2 after grippers.

You have a very impressive mindset for someone who's 15, I fully believe what you say is going to happen.

[bencrush]

On 8/14/2024 at 7:51 AM, Grip O Holic said:

I’ve never had pain even once in gripsport so that’s never been an issue.

🙄 All of us were this way...until the first time we had pain, lol.  You have youth on your side though.  I hope you continue to stay healthy and get stronger for a long time.  

[DoctorOfCrush]

1 hour ago, bencrush said:

🙄 All of us were this way...until the first time we had pain, lol.  You have youth on your side though.  I hope you continue to stay healthy and get stronger for a long time.  

I was going to say this exact thing haha. Basically, you aren’t injured until you are. 

Thankfully, you’re working with Ivan, and hopefully he has made a point to also focus on recovery and prevention. 

Regardless of what is to come and how quickly it will come, you have some great crushing ability, especially at your age. I think most folks who find grip would say they wish they had found it earlier. With time on your side, I can’t wait to see where you go!

[dubyagrip]

You can do it, Alex.

[Grip O Holic]

40 minutes ago, DoctorOfCrush said:

I was going to say this exact thing haha. Basically, you aren’t injured until you are. 

Thankfully, you’re working with Ivan, and hopefully he has made a point to also focus on recovery and prevention. 

Regardless of what is to come and how quickly it will come, you have some great crushing ability, especially at your age. I think most folks who find grip would say they wish they had found it earlier. With time on your side, I can’t wait to see where you go!

Hahaha, yeah Ivan’s methods are great and limit injuries to be as infrequent as possible. Even though I started only a year ago I still wish I start before lol

[Grip O Holic]

30 minutes ago, dubyagrip said:

You can do it, Alex.

Hell yeah I can 💯

[degradated]

17 hours ago, Grip O Holic said:

No you’ll see. At the absolute most 7.5 months if I have to run another 10 week volume strength cycle. This 142 attempt wasn’t at my full potential, it was a random day I felt good and only a day or 2 after grippers.

I like your enthusiasm and confidence, however, please keep in mind that advice from somebody like @C8Myotome - who I would consider a grip veteran - should not be taken lightly. I would love to have you prove him and others wrong, so I guess time will tell. I have been a member since 2008 here I believe, and randomly have seen quite a few ambitious gripsters make posts/claims over the years that swear they will make a COC4 cert (for example), yet the list is very short still. In particular, there was a younger guy many years ago that had a COC4 he could only slightly budge at the time. His idea was to drive around in his car with it and practice daily until it was a done deal and he could close it fully. Does anybody remember this? I don't think it was ever fully pursued and I think his excitement and ambition eventually wore off, or the technique just didn't work. 

I wish you the best of luck and please keep us informed of your progress. Is the Jesse Marunde fund still active? It would be awesome if you could certify and help his family at the same time. Either way, it will be a fun journey!

[Grip O Holic]

24 minutes ago, degradated said:

I like your enthusiasm and confidence, however, please keep in mind that advice from somebody like @C8Myotome - who I would consider a grip veteran - should not be taken lightly. I would love to have you prove him and others wrong, so I guess time will tell. I have been a member since 2008 here I believe, and randomly have seen quite a few ambitious gripsters make posts/claims over the years that swear they will make a COC4 cert (for example), yet the list is very short still. In particular, there was a younger guy many years ago that had a COC4 he could only slightly budge at the time. His idea was to drive around in his car with it and practice daily until it was a done deal and he could close it fully. Does anybody remember this? I don't think it was ever fully pursued and I think his excitement and ambition eventually wore off, or the technique just didn't work. 

I wish you the best of luck and please keep us informed of your progress. Is the Jesse Marunde fund still active? It would be awesome if you could certify and help his family at the same time. Either way, it will be a fun journey!

Yes I believe it’s still active and will be until Randall Strossen retires. I don’t agree with a lot of the training C8 does based on the program he provides in which it takes multiple hours to complete (4-5) and other exercises that remains stagnant and does not change in frequency or intensity. I won’t list anything specific because he has it listed for purchase. I believe his style of training is too harsh on your body and if to make consistent progress if any. The simple volume/strength block approach is simple and provides consistent progression overtime. (Of course your progress will slow no matter how you might take up training) When talking about that guy who was doing a coc 4 every day I’m not sure why anyone would do a gripper more than likely double his current strength and expect to gain progress. 3 months ago I adopted Ivan’s style of grip training for grippers, axle, and Saxon will the proper methods so stuff like that doesn’t really imply to me personally.

[TrenGrip]

13 minutes ago, Grip O Holic said:

Yes I believe it’s still active and will be until Randall Strossen retires. I don’t agree with a lot of the training C8 does based on the program he provides in which it takes multiple hours to complete (4-5) and other exercises that remains stagnant and does not change in frequency or intensity.

Does it really take that long? That’s absurd in regards to any training 

[C8Myotome]

2 minutes ago, TrenGrip said:

Does it really take that long? That’s absurd in regards to any training 

Yup

It's not for everyone, but it's how I do things, and have good success with it 

[TrenGrip]

1 minute ago, C8Myotome said:

Yup

It's not for everyone, but it's how I do things, and have good success with it 

How do you manage to make it that long? A lot of exercises? Long rests? Lot of sets x reps? 

[C8Myotome]

1 minute ago, TrenGrip said:

How do you manage to make it that long? A lot of exercises? Long rests? Lot of sets x reps? 

Yes a lot of exercises, rests variable depending on the exercises, extremely high volume, but I got into grip training while having a busy lifestyle and I developed a style of doing everything I needed to do at once so that if I got even busier and didn't have time to train anything during the week it wouldn't be an issue. And that's still how i train, and I've added and removed certain exercises or approached them different over time as I feel like, but yeah I would rather do everything at once and just be done with it until the next session and focus on other things during the week. I don't really see a reason to split it up into shorter multiple sessions when I recover and progress fine, and I don't want to cut my volume, it's fun

[TrenGrip]

1 minute ago, C8Myotome said:

but yeah I would rather do everything at once and just be done with it until the next session and focus on other things during the week. I don't really see a reason to split it up into shorter multiple sessions when I recover and progress fine, and I don't want to cut my volume, it's fun

Wait so it’s a once a week thing? Like you do everything in one day and next week same thing with some sort of progression. And from exercise to exercise are you not too fatigued by a certain point to do more exercises effectively 

[C8Myotome]

5 minutes ago, TrenGrip said:

Wait so it’s a once a week thing? Like you do everything in one day and next week same thing with some sort of progression. And from exercise to exercise are you not too fatigued by a certain point to do more exercises effectively 

yeah i train grip once a week, with various styles of progressions or goal intensities for different exercises, with everything structured strategically to manage fatigue