Dmitry Volegov vs COC 4 CCS

[Cannon]

 

[Cannon]

Following my own advice to open new threads to discuss closes rather than discussing them in the Heaviest Closes thread

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That is an amazing close! Jeepers. I hope this was or can be used to get cleared for the official IM cert. 

The video title is a bit ambitious. My browser translated it to: A MIRACLE has happened and this is the first person on Earth to close the new four from the packaging and card 

I'm not even sure he is the second, but at minimum there is Carl's cert. All the same, it's an incredibly small crowd. 

[Cannon]

On a second viewing, I'm not sure IM would accept that card swipe. He kind of set it on the handles and it does not look like it would have gone between the handles. Again, all the same, it's an incredible result and he certainly looks ready to attempt certification! 

[Ben Helms]

I feel like the camera angle was off for the card but I feel like for a brief second, it was in there correctly. They do say the card has to be inserted and displayed properly so it could get turned down but I believe he did it and it is legit. Just a very brief card insert. I feel like if he took an extra second with the card he would still get it. The vote is a yes for me 👍🏻

[deadgrip]

Absolutely insane….  And it even looked a little low in his hand…

[lloyd80s]

Amazing. That is the best effort I've ever seen on a coc4! He slammed that thing closed!

I don't think IM would give him the cert for this, because as you say, the card sat more on the handles, rather than passing through them. Surely though, it's only a matter of time for him to cert now. 

Edited June 6 by lloyd80s

[degradated]

Dang, looks legit to me. If they are that picky about the credit card not being fully inserted than that is a little absurd in my opinion. It wasn't the best camera angle but it did look like he properly swiped, just barely by maybe 0.5mm. It sat very far back in his hand too, what crushing power! 

[C8Myotome]

This wouldn't pass for either cert or audition, due to no legal start position being achieved. Handles weren't open wide enough causing the card to flex, the card was then angled rather than open the handles wider.

[John Knowlton]

All in all straight out of the package and close amazing 

[Jared P]

Otherworldly, if legit. Only Carl, that I know of, has CCSed a modern CoC 4 out of the package thus far - and like Ivan upcoming, it took them around 5-7 years of obsessive work to reach that level.

It would be interesting to know the training regimen and gripper history of Dmitry Volegov. The level of strength here is not just world class, but the very peak of human performance.

[C8Myotome]

I think it's pretty clear it wasn't a clean CCS, it's either CCS, or it's not. It was an attempt. It wasn't weak. But you have to draw the line of what is and isn't a CCS. Having a card in the video doesn't make it CCS if it wasn't done by certification standards. This is not equivalent to Carl's 4 CCS's.

[HuviX]

There is also one more CCS attempt from this guy, but video is not available on a YouTube and I'm not sure if you can watch it from outside of Russia without signing up.
So here is the videolink anyway: https://vk.com/video166835243_456254286

This attempt is a much more solid for me personally, I think it counts also 🙂

Edited June 8 by HuviX

[dubyagrip]

This guy is a savage.  I love it.

[Hubgeezer]

Because of the way the ends of the handles are, I find it much easier to judge  “live” than on video.

My being a “live” witness history is, as follows:

Mike Burke, 2013, on the Number 4: Fail. Way off, injured his hand in the process

Amy Wattles, 2014?, Number 2.5: Fail, about 1/8th inch off

Alexey T, 2015?, Number 3.5: Fail, about 1/12th inch off

Evan Hannsman, Number 3: Close, good Cert. He was holding it closed for a long time, and, at some point, SCREAMS: “It doesn’t go any further!!” He was right. But I learned by that is that sometimes I think it is HARDER to successfully Cert on Video, than it is in person. When it is real close, you can play it back and pick it apart on video, coming up with some reason to reject it. Live, one way or another, you have to make a decison 
 

I am curious about others here. I say the credit card set would not pass, but did the handles touch? I think they initially did, but parted the tiniest bit after they touched.

I am glad those three Certs were as off as they were, as I wouldn’t have to be  criticized one way or another on this Forum until the end of time.

 

 

[slazbob]

44 minutes ago, Hubgeezer said:

Because of the way the ends of the handles are, I find it much easier to judge  “live” than on video.

My being a “live” witness history is, as follows:

Mike Burke, 2013, on the Number 4: Fail. Way off, injured his hand in the process

Amy Wattles, 2014?, Number 2.5: Fail, about 1/8th inch off

Alexey T, 2015?, Number 3.5: Fail, about 1/12th inch off

Evan Hannsman, Number 3: Close, good Cert. He was holding it closed for a long time, and, at some point, SCREAMS: “It doesn’t go any further!!” He was right. But I learned by that is that sometimes I think it is HARDER to successfully Cert on Video, than it is in person. When it is real close, you can play it back and pick it apart on video, coming up with some reason to reject it. Live, one way or another, you have to make a decison 
 

I am curious about others here. I say the credit card set would not pass, but did the handles touch? I think they initially did, but parted the tiniest bit after they touched.

I am glad those three Certs were as off as they were, as I wouldn’t have to be  criticized one way or another on this Forum until the end of time.

 

 

I can’t confirm it closed. Looks a tiny bit off…either way it’s a good bet he’s going to be there soon.

the card sat a little on the inside top portion of the handles, so it’s definitely a tad off of official width. 
 

 

[Hubgeezer]

5 hours ago, slazbob said:

I can’t confirm it closed. Looks a tiny bit off…either way it’s a good bet he’s going to be there soon.

the card sat a little on the inside top portion of the handles, so it’s definitely a tad off of official width. 
 

 

I agree on both counts

[Cannon]

All I can say is that I’m excited about this effort. I like where this is going  

[Dmitriy stitch volegov]

Good afternoon everyone. This is just a training video, My preparation for certification. I don’t argue that in the first video there was a complete closure, and the second video there was a complete closure, but I swiped the card too quickly and could not hold it for long, I simply forgot about it. Randle Strossen confirmed this to me. Therefore, soon you will see new videos with closing from the card and from the packaging of COC4

[Hubgeezer]

23 minutes ago, Dmitriy stitch volegov said:

Good afternoon everyone. This is just a training video, My preparation for certification. I don’t argue that in the first video there was a complete closure, and the second video there was a complete closure, but I swiped the card too quickly and could not hold it for long, I simply forgot about it. Randle Strossen confirmed this to me. Therefore, soon you will see new videos with closing from the card and from the packaging of COC4

Thanks. Outstanding Show of Strength!

[Forever]

26 minutes ago, Dmitriy stitch volegov said:

Good afternoon everyone. This is just a training video, My preparation for certification. I don’t argue that in the first video there was a complete closure, and the second video there was a complete closure, but I swiped the card too quickly and could not hold it for long, I simply forgot about it. Randle Strossen confirmed this to me. Therefore, soon you will see new videos with closing from the card and from the packaging of COC4

Very strong close here 

[Cannon]

@Dmitriy stitch volegov welcome to the board! Great to see you here.

[Nikolai]

 

[Cannon]

8 minutes ago, Nikolai said:

 

Badass. 

Speed kills and that close was FAST. Thank you for posting this one. This video is certainly a contender for “best #4 close I have ever seen.” 

[Dmitriy stitch volegov]

16 hours ago, Cannon said:

Badass. 

Speed kills and that close was FAST. Thank you for posting this one. This video is certainly a contender for “best #4 close I have ever seen.” 

Thanks) tomorrow go to one more 4coc from pack with card to ~ 75.4mm between the handles

[Jared P]

Here is the video from Vadim Murashkin wherein he measures and rates the CoC 4 that Dmitry closed with the CCS from the package in the above video, and where the rating of 95 kg CXP (220 lbs RGC) comes from.

Starting at the 10:00 mark, he takes measurements with a caliper and gets 7.87mm wire size, and 67.70mm spread.

At 13:10, Vadim shows how the handle is loose and creaks.

At 14:10, Vadim rates the gripper at 95.0 kg CXP (220 lbs RGC). (cxp kg / 0.95 = rgc kg)

I found these measurements slightly puzzling, because none of my five CoC 4's have similar measurements. Here are mine:

205 CoC 4: 7.95mm wire, 71.66mm spread
210 CoC 4: 7.92mm wire, 73.06mm spread
214 CoC 4: 7.94mm wire, 73.40mm spread
219 CoC 4: 7.96mm wire, 73.53mm spread
224 CoC 4: 7.94mm wire, 74.48mm spread

Can anyone else replicate the measurements of 7.87mm wire, 67.70mm spread on a CoC 4 that they own, and what is the rating?

I am not questioning Dmitry's strength here, just found the measurements odd.

I looked into this as I was preparing to add Dmitry's 220 lbs RGC CCS to the Heaviest closes list, which puts him tied with Carl for the heaviest CCS ever done.