Dmitry Volegov Certifies on the Captains of Crush No. 3.5 Gripper

[Jared P]

https://www.ironmind.com/news/Dmitry-Volegov-Certifies-on-the-Captains-of-Crush-No.-3.5-Gripper/
 

[dubyagrip]

Camera cut at 2:30 😬

[CruxGripman]

1 hour ago, dubyagrip said:

Camera cut at 2:30 😬

Wild, I didn’t notice that first time I watched it.

at first I was thinking, is he gonna close that with no chalk? But then he chalked up, which would mean he rather didn’t warm up, or he didnt chalk up at all during his warm up 

[degradated]

Good eye @dubyagrip! I really hope we don't have another Tiziano situation on our hands. If you pay attention to the people walking around in the background, they seem to alter positions ever so slightly. The main indicator to me is that the glitch at 2:30 is at a different slightly skewed camera angle as you can see the gripper handle end not as straight on facing the camera. I took a screenshot at 2:29 and 2:30, frame by frame and there is definitely something off about it. The guy in the white shirt is not in frame and moved forward a pace or two after the cut (along with the other gym goers).

My guess is that it is an inside job, the cameraman handed him an altered 3.5 (or Dmitry had one ready to grab out of frame) and they edited it to try and match up as closely as possible. Even though it only took a second or two based on the background action, it is pretty clear to me that something isn't right here. 

I really hope that there is a good explanation and he can remain on the list. I don't like being in the criticism group but a video glitch is unacceptable for a high level Cert. 

Edited May 3 by degradated

[C8Myotome]

3 hours ago, CruxGripman said:

Wild, I didn’t notice that first time I watched it.

at first I was thinking, is he gonna close that with no chalk? But then he chalked up, which would mean he rather didn’t warm up, or he didnt chalk up at all during his warm up 

For my 3 cert I was covered in chalk warming up and washed my hands with soap and water before I began filming so I could show my hands as clean without anything sticky on them before applying chalk for the cert.

But yeah the camera skip in this was very concerning and obvious

[EmilBB]

There's some "dirt" on the left handle, which stays after the cut. Maybe it just skipped a frame for some reason. Also the people in the background only move a tiny amount, the cut would only be like half a second, which is definitely not enough time to switch out the gripper.

Edited May 3 by EmilBB

[C8Myotome]

Does anyone have any history on who this guy is? He looks like a bodybuilder that doesn't train grip. Proportionally he has small forearms and mostly brachioradialis which does nothing for grip. Considering this is a sketchy video with an obvious video splice of 2 different clips via the cut at 2:30, it would also be relevant whether this is someone known to actually train grippers or someone that just showed up out of nowhere to apparently do a 3.5 cert. Is he certified on the 3?

[degradated]

3 minutes ago, C8Myotome said:

Does anyone have any history on who this guy is? He looks like a bodybuilder that doesn't train grip. Proportionally he has small forearms and mostly brachioradialis which does nothing for grip. Considering this is a sketchy video with an obvious video splice of 2 different clips via the cut at 2:30, it would also be relevant whether this is someone known to actually train grippers or someone that just showed up out of nowhere to apparently do a 3.5 cert. Is he certified on the 3?

Good thinking.... I just checked and he is not on the number 3 list. If somebody could vouch for him, that would lend a lot more credibility.

[C8Myotome]

34 minutes ago, degradated said:

Good eye @dubyagrip! 

Best solar eclipse I've seen yet

[Vinnie]

One difference is that at least this guy looks like he might have enough mass to have the requisite strength.  I mean, his TATTOOS ALONE look like they could close a 3.5 lol.

But yeah, you shouldn't just come out of nowhere, skip the 3, and slam the 3.5 in a sketchy vid as your intro to grip.

[Vinnie]

You didn't need  good eye to see the camera cut at 2:30.  Why would they pass this after all that drama?  It doesn't have to be a big deal -- just tell the guy there is a cut at 2:30 and to sign up again.  He did a double so easily, he can do it again.  If it's real I mean.

[degradated]

2 minutes ago, Vinnie said:

One difference is that at least this guy looks like he might have enough mass to have the requisite strength.  I mean, his TATTOOS ALONE look like they could close a 3.5 lol.

But yeah, you shouldn't just come out of nowhere, skip the 3, and slam the 3.5 in a sketchy vid as your intro to grip.

He has from what I can tell at least five skull tats just on the left arm. 😏

He also pulled a Tiz move and did a 2nd set, a little bit greedy IMO especially if it isn't legitimate. Is he a member here or anything? I really hope he can chime in and explain this glitch/splice anomaly.

[matek]

24 minutes ago, C8Myotome said:

Best solar eclipse I've seen yet

That person walked out of the frame before the cut. And red tank top man coming to the frame seems "consistent" (besides the cut).

But I agree that any video with a cut/lag seems strange. 

[stranger]

1 hour ago, degradated said:

Good eye @dubyagrip! I really hope we don't have another Tiziano situation on our hands. If you pay attention to the people walking around in the background, they seem to alter positions ever so slightly. The main indicator to me is that the glitch at 2:30 is at a different slightly skewed camera angle as you can see the gripper handle end not as straight on facing the camera. I took a screenshot at 2:29 and 2:30, frame by frame and there is definitely something off about it. The guy in the white shirt is not in frame and moved forward a pace or two after the cut (along with the other gym goers).

My guess is that it is an inside job, the cameraman handed him an altered 3.5 (or Dmitry had one ready to grab out of frame) and they edited it to try and match up as closely as possible. Even though it only took a second or two based on the background action, it is pretty clear to me that something isn't right here. 

I really hope that there is a good explanation and he can remain on the list. I don't like being in the criticism group but a video glitch is unacceptable for a high level Cert. 

There's definitely a cut or something in the video but the logo on the bottom of the gripper seems to indicate that it's the same gripper. 

For anyone that doesn't know, the handles on CoC's are not positioned like Standards or GHP's. they are just out in and have to logo faces is of no concern. These stills shows that it's the same gripper or at least the same logo position,  which would be hard but not impossible to alter. 

I'd like to see the second angle, seems like there's another person filming. 

[stranger]

Also,  that "cut" in the video is too bad to ignore.  If I were judging I wouldn't pass it. 

 

Also also, I spoke with @Ben Helmsand he showed me that a few if his 3.5's have the same stamp location on the bottom of the handle. So may e its more common then i thought. 

Id suggest tgat anyone that doesnt like this cert should email Randall Strossen and bring it to his attention.  

[Zeferin]

10 minutes ago, stranger said:

Кроме того, этот «вырез» в видео слишком плох, чтобы его игнорировать. Если бы я судил, я бы не прошел. 

 

Также я разговаривал с@Бен Хелмси он показал мне, что некоторые из его 3,5-дюймовых моделей имеют такое же расположение штампа в нижней части рукоятки. Так что, возможно, это более распространено, чем я думал. 

Я бы посоветовал всем, кому не нравится этот сертификат, отправить электронное письмо Рэндаллу Строссену и довести его до его сведения.  

IM has this certification from 2 angles!

[stranger]

27 minutes ago, Zeferin said:

IM has this certification from 2 angles!

Wheres the other angle? That would clear this whole thing right up.

[Zeferin]

6 minutes ago, stranger said:

Где другой ракурс? Это прояснило бы всю ситуацию.

at the IM company. ask them to publish

[degradated]

4 hours ago, Vinnie said:

You didn't need  good eye to see the camera cut at 2:30.  Why would they pass this after all that drama?

Hmm, well I had just awoken, fuzzy-eyed and probably wouldn't have noticed the glitch which is why I complimented Jaland on having a "good eye." I can't be sure about how in-depth the Strossen team goes to scrutinizing the certification videos. Seemingly they are not reviewing them thoroughly enough. A second camera angle, as discussed, should bring clarity to this dispute. I am rooting for Dmitry. 

[Cannon]

5 hours ago, C8Myotome said:

Does anyone have any history on who this guy is? He looks like a bodybuilder that doesn't train grip. Proportionally he has small forearms and mostly brachioradialis which does nothing for grip.

This is always a weird thing for me. People do not need to look any certain way. And anyway, this guy does look a certain way. Dude is a 6'2" 230lbs MMA wrestler with 28 years of experience. He implies he trains grip for his sport. His wrists are thick as heck. His forearm hangs down with the gravity of a small moon and has a net of veins that should concern dolphins about bycatch 

 

4 hours ago, stranger said:

For anyone that doesn't know, the handles on CoC's are not positioned like Standards or GHP's. they are just out in and have to logo faces is of no concern.

True.

I don't know what to think about the cut. On the one hand, it just should not be there. If the gripper cannot leave the frame for even a moment, then stopping the camera surely must count as leaving the frame. The camera did not seem to be focusing well on the stamp and they might have stood there for 3 minutes trying to get it to focus. It is in focus after the cut. Possibly this was trimmed for time by IronMind, I don't think we know. IronMind clearly otherwise edits the videos for the banners, song, etc. 

On the other hand, I'm not sure what could have been accomplished during the cut. The position of both his hands before and after is identical although the perspective shifts slightly to the left. That would be insanely hard to duplicate if he did in fact leave that position and had to return. Even if he did his best not to move and someone helped him change grippers, I think a swap is pretty implausible here. Landmarks remain on the gripper (stamp orientation, that blotch on the other handle). 

My least favorite thing about the cert is that the gripper did not come directly from IronMind. I think it should. From a cost perspective, it's understandable they have set a precedent that the gripper may be shipped from a local supplier. Also, maybe it had to in this case due to shipping sanctions on Russia. But how does that local individual pick a gripper? If they're anything like me, I can more or less ballpark the final strength while the gripper is in the package. I would absolutely know if I was sending a hard one, average one, or easy one. I'm not saying IronMind can't do that as well, but if they sent everything then at least they would be in control of "selecting the same way every time." All the same, the IM News write-up makes it clear that IronMind thanks BearGrip and there was a known witness to the cert who is a veteran IronMind referee although they are not named.  

Overall, this cert seems fine to me. People have called for witnesses to return and there seems to have been a trusted one on this cert. There is no requirement for a referee AND video, and the write-up highlights an emphatic confirmation from a witness. But it would be nice to hear about the cut. Did they see it? Did they make it? 

 

 

 

[Londonjoseph]

Nah you guys are just paranoid. Even if he is cheating the cert, how does that effect your training?

[weightlifter]

Here is view from another camera

Time code 2:10

[weightlifter]

I know this guy. Yes, you could ask from where he appeared, but I saw his closes on video with different heavy grippers during long time he trained. He has very strong strength basics from past. 

[DoctorOfCrush]

10 minutes ago, weightlifter said:

Here is view from another camera

Time code 2:10

Looks like the primary angle guy was just trying to get the end of the handle to focus, and that caused the video capture to glitch. 

Edited May 3 by DoctorOfCrush

[dubyagrip]

Awesome, glad to see the other angle!