EmilBB Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 Does anyone know why liquid chalk is not allowed for the CoC certs? I'm curious what the reason would be, I personally don't feel any difference between "normal" block chalk and liquid chalk. Atleast not when it comes to grippers. I left them an email asking the reason already, I'm just curious what the people on here thinks is the reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmilBB Posted March 2, 2023 Author Share Posted March 2, 2023 When they say it like this, it makes it sound like it makes a huge difference. So I'm curious what you think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DevilErik Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 (edited) 15 minutes ago, EmilBB said: Does anyone know why liquid chalk is not allowed for the CoC certs? I'm curious what the reason would be, I personally don't feel any difference between "normal" block chalk and liquid chalk. Atleast not when it comes to grippers. I left them an email asking the reason already, I'm just curious what the people on here thinks is the reason. It can act as an adhesive I have never used it myself but this is what I have heard it allows you to "stick" to certain implements which is not allowed for obvious reasons. Edited March 2, 2023 by DevilErik 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottex92 Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 As far as I know liquid chalk is just chalk in an alcohol base that evaporates once it comes in touch with skin, drying the skin. That may be an advantage over regular magnesium dust/block. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fist of Fury Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 It's to make it more transparent what you use so you don't use something else, like glue or "tacky" which they use in strongman (which is pathetic by the way). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matek Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 (edited) It's not the skin-drying effect of the alcohol. Some liquid chalk has rosin/pine resin in it (the "tacky" Fist of Fury mentioned). And even if it originally doesn't, rosin dissolves well in alcohol which is the base of almost all liquid chalk, so one can add it... It's like using soldering flux on your hands. I think this rule totally makes sense for certs. Btw I also use liquid chalk for my training (without rosin); it's just convenient. Edited March 2, 2023 by matek 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmilBB Posted March 2, 2023 Author Share Posted March 2, 2023 34 minutes ago, matek said: It's not the skin-drying effect of the alcohol. Some liquid chalk has rosin/pine resin (the "tacky" as Fist of Fury mentioned). And even if it originally doesn't, rosin dissolves well in alcohol which is the base of almost all liquid chalk, so one can add it... It's like using soldering flux on your hands. I think this rule totally makes sense for certs. Btw I also use liquid chalk for my training (without rosin); it's just convenient. I haven't used liquid chalk with resin, so I was not aware of that being a thing. It totally makes sense why it's not allowed then, thanks for teaching me something new. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josé adalton Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 (edited) Jedd Johnson explains it in this short video: Interestingly there is no mention of it for the GHP Challenge. Qianchen Yang used it as we can judge below: Edited March 2, 2023 by josé adalton edit 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martincerven Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 4 hours ago, matek said: It's not the skin-drying effect of the alcohol. Some liquid chalk has rosin/pine resin in it (the "tacky" Fist of Fury mentioned). And even if it originally doesn't, rosin dissolves well in alcohol which is the base of almost all liquid chalk, so one can add it... It's like using soldering flux on your hands. I think this rule totally makes sense for certs. Btw I also use liquid chalk for my training (without rosin); it's just convenient. I wanted to try liquid chalk few weeks ago and without knowing it contained anything other than magnesium I was a bit surprised about the rosin. I don't know it if helps with grippers but the rosin is quite disgusting and it stays in the knurling so you have to clean it afterwards...I haven't used it since 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C8Myotome Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 Not a fan of it anyways, when I used to go to a junk commercial gym that didn't allow real chalk I tried liquid chalk before. It also expires & solidifies if it gets too old, & is much more expensive. But I would imagine it's not allowed cause anything liquid is a lot more unregulated than something we can easily see like block/powder chalk, so unregulated chalk mixes that are extra sticky could be used 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matek Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 11 hours ago, martincerven said: I wanted to try liquid chalk few weeks ago and without knowing it contained anything other than magnesium I was a bit surprised about the rosin. I don't know it if helps with grippers but the rosin is quite disgusting and it stays in the knurling so you have to clean it afterwards...I haven't used it since Just make your own liquid chalk if you need it, that's what I've been doing for a long time. It's literally just chalk (magnesium carbonate) and ~70-80% rubbing alcohol (+ water if you use pure isopropyl alcohol). 2:1 chalk-alcohol ratio works well, but you can fine-tune it to your own taste. More chalk if you need a thicker coating, lower purity alcohol if your hands are sensitive, higher purity alcohol if you want it to dry super fast on the hands, etc. There is no right or wrong about it. You will know exactly what's inside and it's dirt cheap. Most liquid chalk is shamefully expensive. As an alternative, you can give a try to the Chalk Ball by Friction Labs. It's far less messy than just using chalk from a bag. My only problem with it is that it's too fine for me. I mainly use it for bending because I'm not satisfied with it for grippers. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martincerven Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 28 minutes ago, matek said: Just make your own liquid chalk if you need it, that's what I've been doing for a long time. It's literally just chalk (magnesium carbonate) and ~70-80% rubbing alcohol (+ water if you use pure isopropyl alcohol). 2:1 chalk-alcohol ratio works well, but you can fine-tune it to your own taste. More chalk if you need a thicker coating, lower purity alcohol if your hands are sensitive, higher purity alcohol if you want it to dry super fast on the hands, etc. There is no right or wrong about it. You will know exactly what's inside and it's dirt cheap. Most liquid chalk is shamefully expensive. As an alternative, you can give a try to the Chalk Ball by Friction Labs. It's far less messy than just using chalk from a bag. My only problem with it is that it's too fine for me. I mainly use it for bending because I'm not satisfied with it for grippers. That is such a simple idea that I would’t have thought about it I like the classic magnesium cube more than dust in a bag, but I have one from when I tried climbing so I will definitely try your liquid chalk recipe 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmilBB Posted March 3, 2023 Author Share Posted March 3, 2023 1 hour ago, matek said: Just make your own liquid chalk if you need it, that's what I've been doing for a long time. It's literally just chalk (magnesium carbonate) and ~70-80% rubbing alcohol (+ water if you use pure isopropyl alcohol). 2:1 chalk-alcohol ratio works well, but you can fine-tune it to your own taste. More chalk if you need a thicker coating, lower purity alcohol if your hands are sensitive, higher purity alcohol if you want it to dry super fast on the hands, etc. There is no right or wrong about it. You will know exactly what's inside and it's dirt cheap. Most liquid chalk is shamefully expensive. As an alternative, you can give a try to the Chalk Ball by Friction Labs. It's far less messy than just using chalk from a bag. My only problem with it is that it's too fine for me. I mainly use it for bending because I'm not satisfied with it for grippers. I have a question almighty chalk scientist. Is there such a thing as superior chalk or is the cheapest option just the best? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matek Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 2 minutes ago, EmilBB said: I have a question almighty chalk scientist. Is there such a thing as superior chalk or is the cheapest option just the best? Haha, these things are pretty well-known in the climbing community (I used to climb 10+ years ago). About chalk "quality": I guess it comes down to personal preferences. My favorite type is the chunky/block type. I can get a better coating on my hands than just fine powder. You get the best coating with thick liquid chalk, but the problem is the alcohol: actually, you don't want crazy dry hands. Some minimal moisture helps. That's why some people are "breathing" on their hands (not hard "blowing") before a pinch exercise. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fist of Fury Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 34 minutes ago, EmilBB said: I have a question almighty chalk scientist. Is there such a thing as superior chalk or is the cheapest option just the best? Cheap chalk isn't 100% pure, so yes there's a difference in quality. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blacksmith513 Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 im on my 3rd kind of chalk. first was from grip genie... Then when i bought the red pill it came with chalk and was better than grip genies... I just got some from World of Grip and i really like how it sticks to my hands... its more soft. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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