bseedot Posted September 7, 2003 Share Posted September 7, 2003 Hey guys and gals. What's a good weight to shoot for on C&J's and snatches for the Apollon's Axle- single handed. I did some for the first time yesterday and really enjoyed it. For those who have done these with some regularity, what's a respectible lift? BC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sybersnott Posted September 7, 2003 Share Posted September 7, 2003 Start at 200#, then work up. A good DL on the AA is anything over 400#. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Van Weele Posted September 7, 2003 Share Posted September 7, 2003 Snott 200 with one hands seems a little high. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sybersnott Posted September 7, 2003 Share Posted September 7, 2003 Matt, You're right - my bad. I meant using TWO hands with those lifts. Uh, why not just use a thick bar DB if you're doing those lifts one-handed?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedd Johnson Posted September 7, 2003 Share Posted September 7, 2003 I personally think that one-hand barbell snatches are much more impressive than simply using a dumbell. It requires much more skill to hoist a mean fat bar up than just a dumbell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonathan McMillan Posted September 7, 2003 Share Posted September 7, 2003 BC, If you look through the photo gallerys I think it's in the supergrip contest section, I recall someone doing a clean and jerk one handed with 185 2inch bar? or something like that. I'd like to do that with a regular bar someday!!! Jon@han Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bencrush Posted September 8, 2003 Share Posted September 8, 2003 Jonathan, you're correct about the 185lbs in the Super Grip Challenge last year. Matt Graham did it one handed and made it look pretty easy! I'd say that's a VERY respectable poundage to shoot for. Not for us mortals though. Brian probably has a good chance of approaching it though. Brian, I've practiced these on and off for a year or so. Never got very good but recently did a 103lb one hand clean and jerk on my AA. I think you're quite a bit stronger, so I'm guessing "respectable" would be about 123lbs. That would be the AA bar with 2 45lb plates on it. Visually impressive also. I'm not sure about the snatch weight. Maybe 103lb would be the start of "respectability" on that one. Maybe I'm full of crap. Who knows ? By the way, what weight did you work up to on both of these movements? Ben Edwards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bseedot Posted September 8, 2003 Author Share Posted September 8, 2003 Variations on a theme, Syber. I do most exercises with both hands so this is a nice change. Plus I get in some lateral wrist work using a bar. I will use dumbbells too though at some point, both thickbar and regular. I agree with the others that one-handed bar work is more impressive than with a dumbbell. I like the light weight too. I do enough heavy lifting during the week as it is. Yup, I read back in an old post from Kevin about Matt Graham's lift. I'm wondering if he used a hook grip though? I snatched 105 but my technique is horrible. I tried 135 but could only get it up to about my sternum and with my 'I'm as rigid as an oak tree' technique had no chance of getting under it. I didn't try any cleans. BC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisJames Posted September 8, 2003 Share Posted September 8, 2003 My best one hand clean with the 2 " barrbell is 220 and best overhead with two hands to shoulder and one arm pushpress is 250. I've put 242 lbs on video and i am waiting for somebody to put onto disc for me for the board. I really like doing these exercises and i think they are very good for developing all round strength and balance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bseedot Posted September 8, 2003 Author Share Posted September 8, 2003 Yeah, that's what I'm talking about! Nice! Chris, have you snatched an Apollon's Axle? How'd you do? I'd love to see a video clip of these lifts. I don't know if I'm doing these correctly, I just did what felt right on Saturday- seemed to work... BC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisJames Posted September 8, 2003 Share Posted September 8, 2003 Hi Bseedot , I've done a cross grip snatch of 232 lbs on a 2" bar trying to duplicate Gorners lift and can do at least 180 one arm snatch , i wouln't follow my technique though i was not blessed with finesse ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bseedot Posted September 8, 2003 Author Share Posted September 8, 2003 ... and can do at least 180 one arm snatch... That gives me something nice and insane to shoot for! I'll post again in about seven years with the results! I really like doing these exercises and i think they are very good for developing all round strength and balance. Great for conditioning too. BC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcham Posted September 9, 2003 Share Posted September 9, 2003 I don't have a thick bar, but i love these 1 hand barbell lifts, especially snatches. Just wondering how different does it feel with 2" bar? I imagine a lot or all of the "spring" is gone from the bar... would feel very dead. Besides the grip aspect of using a thickbar, does the lack of spring make it a much harder lift? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Beatty Posted September 9, 2003 Share Posted September 9, 2003 Guys- We do a lot of axle work in Strongman. I've cleaned 260 for 3 (& my grip has never been my strong point), then continentaled 3 more (at the Snowman Challenge last Jan). At Las Vegas in May, did 275 for 7 (all continentals). At the Nationals, did 281 for 6 (all continentals). Jesse Marunde did 8 or 9 reps clean & jerk with the 281 axle & the tires/rims were welded to the bar, so no rotation at all. Jon Anderson did 10 with the 275 at Vegas all full cleans (was awesome). I really get stuck on cleans on the axle above 260. I've got these big 55 lb solid rubber plates that are about as wide as a car tire, so gives a good feel for the axles we do at the shows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom of Iowa2 Posted September 9, 2003 Share Posted September 9, 2003 (edited) Guys- At the Nationals, did 281 for 6 (all continentals). Jesse Marunde did 8 or 9 reps clean & jerk with the 281 axle & the tires/rims were welded to the bar, so no rotation at all. Jon Anderson did 10 with the 275 at Vegas all full cleans (was awesome). I really get stuck on cleans on the axle above 260. I've got these big 55 lb solid rubber plates that are about as wide as a car tire, so gives a good feel for the axles we do at the shows. 6 press reps,even via continental is still pretty good john. But marrunde getting 8 or nine clean and presses and Anderson getting 10 clean and presses is just 'sick'. Whats Schoonvled good for on a clean and press of the Axle? for reps? And doesn't he have somewhere around a (close to)400# clean and press single with a 2 inch axle? Is Schoonveld going to compete in the Xtreme series this year? Whoops -came in to edit as i just realized Bseedots question was for one-arm clean and press of the axle...sorry Edited September 9, 2003 by Tom of Iowa2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Beatty Posted September 9, 2003 Share Posted September 9, 2003 Tom- Schoonveld's out of Strongman for the year, messed up a disk at the World's Strongest Man last year on the Conan's wheel. He's (wisely) decided to work on his core strength for a year or two so he's going into powerlifting for a while. He's incredibly strong naturally, but his deadlift is way below his overall strength level. He's got all the hip strength in the world (he can get almost any weight to his knees), but can't go beyond that. He cheats things out, but that will just get him hurt permanently if he keeps it up. He keeps telling me he's going to pull more than me when he comes back. If he does, I may have to drop out for a year & get my dead to mid eights so he can't catch me...lol. He's push pressed 405 for 5 reps, 315 for 20. His best log is close to 400. His pressing strength is right with Hugo Girard when he trains it hard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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