Patrik_F Posted August 27, 2003 Share Posted August 27, 2003 So, is the September issue of MILO out yet? Has anyone recieved it? When does the September issue normally release? Beginning of September? I have ordered it from Ironmind already and am pretty anxious to read it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
opnsysme Posted August 27, 2003 Share Posted August 27, 2003 I got it yesterday . What did you want to know? I have it here on my desk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MIKE HALEY RILEY CLOE Posted August 27, 2003 Share Posted August 27, 2003 I am still waiting for mine also. I must see the pics.( I am sure everybody knows which pics. i am talking about.)! I actually e-mailed Ironmind last week to see if they had been mailed, I had been having trouble with delivery of mail here, and they told me on Friday it should be here this week. Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
opnsysme Posted August 27, 2003 Share Posted August 27, 2003 They have pics of the close Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MIKE HALEY RILEY CLOE Posted August 27, 2003 Share Posted August 27, 2003 Packed with all the usual great stuff? Any pics. of Gavin and the Red? Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
opnsysme Posted August 27, 2003 Share Posted August 27, 2003 Ya they have a cool 4 picture set starting with the bend and then on to the finished product. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MIKE HALEY RILEY CLOE Posted August 27, 2003 Share Posted August 27, 2003 Well no Milo in the mail today! My wife hates this week, I go into some kind of Milo withdrawl the week before I receive the current issue. I think it is because i check the ticker, and know it is out! Awesome ,that is actually more pics. than i figured they would have of the nail! Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clay Edgin Posted August 27, 2003 Share Posted August 27, 2003 This may sound vain, but am I in this edition's Captains of Crush section? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
opnsysme Posted August 27, 2003 Share Posted August 27, 2003 Don't sweat it man , I checked and if your the metal detector's worst nightmare than yes you are !! And congrats!! I hope to be there in the next one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roark Posted August 27, 2003 Share Posted August 27, 2003 "metal detector's worst nightmare"- excellent! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clay Edgin Posted August 28, 2003 Share Posted August 28, 2003 Woohoo! I'm famous again! lol : Dang, now I gotta buy this issue...might as well subscribe...and pick up a few other things while I'm shopping... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Piche Posted August 29, 2003 Share Posted August 29, 2003 I received my issue. The #4 close appears to be a double stamped 4? No "training secrets" guys except he does mention strap holds aren't effective which is curious because about 99.9% of everyone else seems to benefit from them. If anything, his training shows no progression whatsoever which is curious as well. He must really be a freak. Most everyone else needs to "progress" by some means by other than showing up for the workout. He does work grip 6 days per week. Pinching on Mon. Fri is a few sets of wrist curls with plates. Tues, Thursday, Sat, Sun are 4 to 6 #4 singles and 1 #3 single. This seemed curious to me. He said he does 350x2 in the deadlift and yet squats 300 for 6 sets of 2. That doesn't jive with my experience. Most everyone unless they are squattie as all heck physique wise can normally deadlift well over 100lbs more than they can squat. My only guess is they are partial squats. There is absolutely NO mention of how his brother Gavin trains. Looks like Nathan doesn't bend? Gavin is shown with the nail in his teeth in the first pic in the sequence of bending. Not sure what's up with that? Nathan is shown lifting the Inch up to his shins on the cover which surprises me given his crushing strength. He's also shown high pulling the blob which again getting back to the Inch surprises me he can't fully deadlift it they never got a pic of it at least. The IWF referee's name is NOT given! Just wonderful. Where's the gripper? Good question. No mention of that either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roark Posted August 29, 2003 Share Posted August 29, 2003 I miss (edited to save space). Why are more questions raised than answered about this new closing? Imprecise precision. Keepem' guessing. Keepem' anonymous. Keepem' coming. Excellent techniques to erase interest. Hoopa! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mobsterone Posted August 29, 2003 Share Posted August 29, 2003 I received my issue. The #4 close appears to be a double stamped 4?No "training secrets" guys except he does mention strap holds aren't effective which is curious because about 99.9% of everyone else seems to benefit from them. If anything, his training shows no progression whatsoever which is curious as well. He must really be a freak. Most everyone else needs to "progress" by some means by other than showing up for the workout. He does work grip 6 days per week. Pinching on Mon. Fri is a few sets of wrist curls with plates. Tues, Thursday, Sat, Sun are 4 to 6 #4 singles and 1 #3 single. This seemed curious to me. He said he does 350x2 in the deadlift and yet squats 300 for 6 sets of 2. That doesn't jive with my experience. Most everyone unless they are squattie as all heck physique wise can normally deadlift well over 100lbs more than they can squat. My only guess is they are partial squats. There is absolutely NO mention of how his brother Gavin trains. Looks like Nathan doesn't bend? Gavin is shown with the nail in his teeth in the first pic in the sequence of bending. Not sure what's up with that? Nathan is shown lifting the Inch up to his shins on the cover which surprises me given his crushing strength. He's also shown high pulling the blob which again getting back to the Inch surprises me he can't fully deadlift it they never got a pic of it at least. The IWF referee's name is NOT given! Just wonderful. Where's the gripper? Good question. No mention of that either. I'd say, looking at his physique etc, that having a 350 x 2 dl is precisely why he can't pull 172 to any real height and yet can high pull a 50lb blob. Grip strength off the scale but nowt else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Piche Posted August 29, 2003 Share Posted August 29, 2003 I received my issue. The #4 close appears to be a double stamped 4?No "training secrets" guys except he does mention strap holds aren't effective which is curious because about 99.9% of everyone else seems to benefit from them. If anything, his training shows no progression whatsoever which is curious as well. He must really be a freak. Most everyone else needs to "progress" by some means by other than showing up for the workout. He does work grip 6 days per week. Pinching on Mon. Fri is a few sets of wrist curls with plates. Tues, Thursday, Sat, Sun are 4 to 6 #4 singles and 1 #3 single. This seemed curious to me. He said he does 350x2 in the deadlift and yet squats 300 for 6 sets of 2. That doesn't jive with my experience. Most everyone unless they are squattie as all heck physique wise can normally deadlift well over 100lbs more than they can squat. My only guess is they are partial squats. There is absolutely NO mention of how his brother Gavin trains. Looks like Nathan doesn't bend? Gavin is shown with the nail in his teeth in the first pic in the sequence of bending. Not sure what's up with that? Nathan is shown lifting the Inch up to his shins on the cover which surprises me given his crushing strength. He's also shown high pulling the blob which again getting back to the Inch surprises me he can't fully deadlift it they never got a pic of it at least. The IWF referee's name is NOT given! Just wonderful. Where's the gripper? Good question. No mention of that either. I'd say, looking at his physique etc, that having a 350 x 2 dl is precisely why he can't pull 172 to any real height and yet can high pull a 50lb blob. Grip strength off the scale but nowt else. Good observation. Which leads to my other hypothesis about half squats. Note the magical 300 mark as well. I am sure stating a poundage like 250 for squats would have really raised eyebrows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom of Iowa2 Posted August 29, 2003 Share Posted August 29, 2003 I have to go with Wanna on this one.The deadlift to squat ratio is very strange for a tall guy. Of course this has nothing to do with grip but interesting none the less.A good friend of mine and 2002 Iowa state Golden Gloves heavyweight champ is 6' 1.5" and weighs about 180lbs.Deadlifts 445# and squats more like 300 or so.Tall guys usually good deadlifters?!....of course my friend can't even close a trainer(really). Cograts to the Holles but man,what a freakish distribution of CNS and/or tendon strength....I mean not much body power but hands that are just 'wired'like a hydraulic robot. Not being a real gripper expert but having some exposure to freaks i guess i just haven't ever saw such an unusual balance of strength/power.I.e.most of the grip prodigies are usually 'hellaciously'strong in other areas. Good eye by mobster on the INCH replica...most of us 172#pounds is like a tinker toy but it's our grip holding us back...but in this case-with a 350?deadlift it was perhaps back strenght limiting the INCH lift......However its not his Physique cause when i weighed that much(85lbs ago)at 6'2"i could deadlift well over 450...its just a suprising lack of back strength. No disrespect towards these guys..Chris and some 'unamed'judge saw the close (#4)but just a fascinating distribution of grip to body power...??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willardjamessloan Posted August 29, 2003 Share Posted August 29, 2003 when I was e-mailing nathan on a regular basis he was doing speed squats and bench squats. I do believe nathans lever system for squatting is poor. It might sound strange but in my 30 years of powerlifting not one of my training partners could dl over one hundred pounds over their squats. I have trained with adfpa national contenders two 800 lb squatters one dl 835 the other is squattie dl665. Another 165er sq 665 and dl 661. kaz coan bridges pacifico simmons reinhoudt crain gaugler wobhler black all squat and dl near the same back then the gear did not help the squat like today. If you looked back then the world record holders squats were close to thier dl. except doyle kennady today the squats are usually 200 lb more just from the high tech equipment ed coan in a contest dl 859 at 198 in a wrestling suit that was amazing his sq that day was also 859 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
austinslater Posted August 29, 2003 Share Posted August 29, 2003 Im also a competitve powerlifter and I think where you guys are missing the boat is that you are comparing the deadlift to a squat in gear. Wanna is right on if there is no supportive gear being used. The deadlift will usually be higher unless someone has a unique build that supports the squat more then the deadlift. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom of Iowa2 Posted August 29, 2003 Share Posted August 29, 2003 (edited) willard, i see what you are saying but of course you are listing 'real'power lifters.....my firend is a tall very skinny boxer and a very inexperienced lifter-that seems to have a 'good'back...and when i was a skinny kid(6'2" 190) i could always deadlift way more than i could squat....also(of course)the Holles aren't power lifters and it is doubtful that they ever want to be? Also none of the guys you listed were 'tall and exceptionally skinny'...regardless i'm not disputing your data...My squat is now within that `100lb(actually more like 135lbs) of my deadlift 'range'that you mentioned- but now i weigh 280....it took a long time- for my legs to 'fill out' and even get close to catching up with the fairly good lever i have for a back.Perhaps at 300lbs my legs will be 'there' mainly just commenting on what is a curious(not doubtful)distribution of strength...i've just never seen such a thing..it is actually interesting to say the least. Edited August 29, 2003 by Tom of Iowa2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Piche Posted August 29, 2003 Share Posted August 29, 2003 Im also a competitve powerlifter and I think where you guys are missing the boat is that you are comparing the deadlift to a squat in gear. Wanna is right on if there is no supportive gear being used. The deadlift will usually be higher unless someone has a unique build that supports the squat more then the deadlift. I am talking raw. NOT lifts made in gear. I am also talking drug free as well. I agree here which is what I was saying was curious. Also, it's assumed they WORK the deadlift. Often, powerlifters never give the deadlift it's due in training. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willardjamessloan Posted August 29, 2003 Share Posted August 29, 2003 not usually over 100 lb I do agree somewhat. I will take three big time lifters mike bridges 832 sq 777 dl that would mean without gear bridges would sq 677 he could do that . ed coan did at 242 a 975 with just a thick belt I believe. don reinhouldt sq 936 dl 885 all with just a thin belt in the 1975 worlds but this is a good point. no matter of nathans pling strength is hand strength is quite good as for myself I wish that my dl was 100lb over my squat I would have been a national champ but then again if I was a foot taller I could dunk a basketball Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Piche Posted August 29, 2003 Share Posted August 29, 2003 not usually over 100 lb I do agree somewhat. I will take three big time lifters mike bridges 832 sq 777 dl that would mean without gear bridges would sq 677 he could do that . ed coan did at 242 a 975 with just a thick belt I believe. don reinhouldt sq 936 dl 885 all with just a thin belt in the 1975 worlds but this is a good point. no matter of nathans pling strength is hand strength is quite good as for myself I wish that my dl was 100lb over my squat I would have been a national champ but then again if I was a foot taller I could dunk a basketball See my post where I mention the criteria for the 100lbs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom of Iowa2 Posted August 29, 2003 Share Posted August 29, 2003 I guess what i see is that their HANDS are just ' hard wired' for crushing power.obviously they have strong will power also...but that they don't follow a structured or progressive grip training program(like KTA or using inbetween grippers like some do or grip machines...and what not )just dramatizes their freakiness...which is cool,unique...just all the more amazing to me. That ALL that power is in their hands...and not the rest of their body??..is what bewilders me and amazes me.Truly they have a 'gift'? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentDude Posted August 29, 2003 Share Posted August 29, 2003 Theres more out there Like 'Them'. To be honest I'm glad somebody else Closed the #4 and somone bent the Red nail. It's just determination. that's it. Of course genetics will help. But Determination is key. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MIKE HALEY RILEY CLOE Posted August 29, 2003 Share Posted August 29, 2003 I agree with Tom of Iowa, after reading the article, and I mean no disrespect to Nathan, it is the method of training that is odd. I mean no progression at all , 1 warm-up to get loosened up? And then between 6 and 10 tries thru the day? Truly unique and amazing, I guess. Those are very impressive genetics, there are freaks with other bodyparts, so why not hands, I guess ,again. Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.