Roark Posted July 21, 2003 Share Posted July 21, 2003 It was 83 years ago today that HG is credited with a right hand deadlift of 734.5 lbs by hook gripping the handle atop a block of sandstone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Van Weele Posted July 21, 2003 Share Posted July 21, 2003 Goerner was a true raw beast. Roark in your opinion what could Goerner done on a #3 and #4 in his prime? One very very intelligant man who has forgoton more than I will ever know about strength feels Goerner would have put down the #4 at his best. Also I've read in his book that Hermann lifted in a pinch grip 110 or somewhere in that region the first time he tried it. Is that believeable too you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Horne Posted July 21, 2003 Share Posted July 21, 2003 Joe, We have the picture of Goerner lifting this sandstone block on the front cover of the next issue of Iron Grip, which is on the way to everyone today. It was marked 660 german pfunds. Matt, Goerner was incredibly strong in the grip and back areas. David Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mac Posted July 21, 2003 Share Posted July 21, 2003 I was not aware that a photo of this lift still existed, so top marks on the research to find it!! 660 German Pfunds?? 2 Germans pfunds (pounds) = 1 kilo, so 330kg = 727.5 English pounds. I hope I am right about the German/English pounds conversion? Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Horne Posted July 21, 2003 Share Posted July 21, 2003 Chris, Thanks. I was pleased to find the picture as well. David Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the swiss Posted July 25, 2003 Share Posted July 25, 2003 just received Iron grip (excellent issue btw) the picture is INCREDIBLE. goerner barely seems to be making any effort (is other hand and face seem quite relaxed). plus the weight is very big (in volume)! thanks for the great work, David and Liz! david Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roark Posted July 25, 2003 Author Share Posted July 25, 2003 the swiss, Hopefully the photo does not convey the sense of phoniness as does the one finger lift of Cyr, where he is out of position etc? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the swiss Posted July 25, 2003 Share Posted July 25, 2003 Roark, don't think so, but couldn't be absolutely sure. the photo is a black and white photocopy, so we probably couldn't spot all cheats (I mean, the weight could be supported on that pic). David (Horne) could probably give a better answer. anyhow, awesome pic, Goerner even looks kind of small next to this huge block! david Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Horne Posted July 25, 2003 Share Posted July 25, 2003 Joe, The picture was on a 1920 circus poster for the Sarrasani Circus, Dresden. He is also pictured in the wrestling line-up. The block is only lifted a few inches, and I'm pretty sure he is using a hook grip. I would say that the lift is genuine and certainly do-able. I'd like to encounter this stone. David Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gripmeister Posted July 25, 2003 Share Posted July 25, 2003 Goerner pinching 110. One feat I am still perplexed by is the supposed one hand snatch of a wooden plank by Arthur Saxon. If I recall correctly, the plank was 80 lbs, 15 feet long, three inches thick and 6 inches wide. I can't imagine the thumb strength alone. Anyone who has ever tried to one hand pinch a railroad tie will understand why this feat seems tremendous. Does anyone know of anyone else who has replicated this feat? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roark Posted July 25, 2003 Author Share Posted July 25, 2003 There were differing dimensions given to the plank feat. When I published MuscleSearch, I presented a chart showing the various lengths/widths/ etc and the calculated poundages involved for planks. Isn't it odd that Arthur could do this but that darned Inch bell just wouldn't move for him- the plank indicates he may have had some thumb strength Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gripmeister Posted July 28, 2003 Share Posted July 28, 2003 RE: "Isn't it odd that Arthur could do this but that darned Inch bell just wouldn't move for him- the plank indicates he may have had some thumb strength " I read that same comment somewhere once before and evidently the lack of success of Arthur on the Inch was attributed to his hand not fitting around the narrow handle of the bell. Who knows what the real story is... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roark Posted July 28, 2003 Author Share Posted July 28, 2003 We now know Arthur's hand would have fit the bell adequately- he had a replica made and mastered it, but Inch said that even after mastering that replica, Arthur failed to get Inch's 172 off the floor. So if I master my Inch bell, I won't be able to lift someone else's off the floor? Nonsense. We have covered Inch in detail at ironhistory.com in our series INCH 101, and in my view, have shown the folly of some of Inch's statements and claims. The utter folly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mac Posted July 28, 2003 Share Posted July 28, 2003 (edited) The block is only lifted a few inches, and I'm pretty sure he is using a hook grip. I would say that the lift is genuine and certainly do-able. I'd like to encounter this stone. I had always assumed that the stone had just been broken up as it was probably only a "lump of rock" (it never had a name as far as I was aware, such as the Dinnie Stones), but it would be incredible if it still existed somewhere!! Edited July 28, 2003 by The Mac Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomas straub Posted July 29, 2003 Share Posted July 29, 2003 i know this has nothing to do with deadlifting, but i was wondering if anyone new how big Goerner's neck was? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arne Posted July 29, 2003 Share Posted July 29, 2003 http://www.americanpowerliftevolution.net/...ernersDLs2.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomas straub Posted July 29, 2003 Share Posted July 29, 2003 thank you arne.. wow a 19.5'' neck what a beast Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arne Posted July 29, 2003 Share Posted July 29, 2003 He was not a pencilneck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomas straub Posted July 29, 2003 Share Posted July 29, 2003 He was not a pencilneck. hahahaha no he wasn't Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomas straub Posted July 29, 2003 Share Posted July 29, 2003 and his forearms were 17 thats also huge!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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