Negs And Chokers

[Norden]

A recent thought: why do gripper negs (extended handle or not) when you can do choked gripper closes that are much safer and just as efficient? Its those last 20mm you want to focus on anyway, right? Am I missing some advantages with negs that you dont get with chokers? I simply can't come to think of any.

Sure, you can probably force a big gripper closed for a sec that you can't get closed choked, but if you're not in a hurry you will close that same gripper choked soon enough.

Reason for this thread is, like I said, am I missing something?

[slazbob]

I think it comes down to control, for me. I can spend as much time in the closed zone as much as I want, with the handle. With the choker, you're forcing it closed on your leg, or using your other hand, and it's not as efficient...not to mention I save my elbows.

I used to have my extended handle WC choked to parallel, which was nice to use. And the handle didn't dig as much in the hand. I took it out of the choker... thinking maybe I'd have the option to ride out the neg a little wider. And, with the Kinney grippers I have the parallel thing covered.

You make sense, Norden. I just feel you have more control on things with the extended handle; over where you can keep the tension, and injury prevention.

[JaredWith1R]

This is my thinking, though it is fairly uneducated.

For choked grippers, It's more of a dynamic exercise trying to get it closed that last little bit. I use this to help me in those last 20mm or so on a gripper I want to close more reliably (like my #2) , or for the first time (like my #2.5).

I also do heavy negs because 1. it helps me practice my set, which is just as important for me at this point. 2. it feels like a quasistatic exercise over a much larger ROM. I may not be strong enough to actively crush down my GM with one hand from any set, so I cheat a little bit with the off hand and am able to isometrically (sort of) work through the entire range of the gripper, not just the closing range.

I can get my #2.5 down to within 20mm, so I use a #2.5 choked to MMS to work on that final crush. My thought process after that is that doing negs on my EXT-GM will help me close down TO that MMS distance with less effort.

This is just my feeling on the matter, I do certainly think that heavy negs can be dangerous and not always the best training tool. But I think they have their place.

[EJ Livesey]

Because one will always have more strength on a negative than a positive. a forced negative that is done slow will force a muscle to grow and become stronger. Gripper negatives aren't exactly for me (my skin isn't tough enough), however with lifting it is a very helpful tool for me.

But negatives just like isos can destroy you if not done correctly and slowly enough. Be careful.

Edited March 11, 2015 by EJ Livesey

[beef_supreme]

Am I missing some advantages with negs that you dont get with chokers?

practicing your set maybe ?

[ultimatemk309]

Am I missing some advantages with negs that you dont get with chokers?

practicing your set maybe ?

I try setting a #4 a couple times during my gripper workouts. It makes all my working grippers seem super easy to set after that.

[BenMorrissey]

Chokers give you perfect hand position, which you are unlikely to get when actually setting. I can close a #3 for reps in a choker, but just once deep set is impossible for me at the moment. Chokers do have a place in training, but in my opinion, deep sets are a much better option. Negatives for me are also more effective at increasing my strength.