Axle Deadlift Help Needed Guys!

[monstagripp]

I seem to be stuck at 150kg/330lbs on the axle and sometimes cant even get that! Am sure my hands could hold more weight but I cant lift anymore weight (155kg doesn't even come of the floor ). Any tips/advice on how to improve my deadlift will be much appreciated.

Thanks in advance!!

[Electron]

Is this info to add to your thickbar, or to your deadlift?

I.e. which is limiting you, your back or your hands? It sounds like your back is the factor here, but please clarify so others can help.

[slazbob]

If you're stuck there, I'd suggest building up reps with a lower weight. Like 5x5

[monstagripp]

Is this info to add to your thickbar, or to your deadlift?

I.e. which is limiting you, your back or your hands? It sounds like your back is the factor here, but please clarify so others can help.

My hands are fine it my back.

If you're stuck there, I'd suggest building up reps with a lower weight. Like 5x5

I do 6-8 reps with 40-105kg (10kg increments) then singles after that.

[CANCRUSHER]

Is this info to add to your thickbar, or to your deadlift?

I.e. which is limiting you, your back or your hands? It sounds like your back is the factor here, but please clarify so others can help.

My hands are fine it my back.

If you're stuck there, I'd suggest building up reps with a lower weight. Like 5x5

I do 6-8 reps with 40-105kg (10kg increments) then singles after that.

If your back its the problem working with a regular power bar on the deadlift will help.

[Anthony C.]

One strategy i like to improve my deadlift is using smaller plates so that you have to bend further to get the weight up. This is good for working the "break the weight off the floor" part of the lift.

[Guest Squat More]

Eat more, do a lot of heavy abdominal work, eat more, start squatting if you don't already and if you do, squat more, also don't forget to eat more.

Also find out if Sumo deadlift form is more optimal for you, because last I remember there are no rules against it. Axle is a test of grip not back strength.

[bubba29]

use a mixed grip and drive up the rest of your body's deadlift strength that way. research good form and groove that technique. deadlift often.

[Mephistopholes]

You'll never be good at axle deadlifting if your regular deadlifting isnt very good...

[Guest Squat More]

You'll never be good at axle deadlifting if your regular deadlifting isnt very good...

^ THIS!

[jvance]

Dial in the technique. There is no need to eat any more than normal to increase muscle strength. At your weight class, you'd be better off staying light and working heavy. I'd suggest biofeedback for deadlifting - earlier this year I went from 380 max to 445 without excessive effort. Squatting helps, but mindless eating and bulking wont help.

[CANCRUSHER]

There is a lot to know about the deadlift but i think that you can get great results 5x5 method.

 

 

Edited May 16, 2018 by CANCRUSHER

[CANCRUSHER]

http://youtu.be/M6B_rE2J3Iw

By the way HE IS BACK.

[Guest Squat More]

No Cancrusher, it is a bad idea to eat more when doing a very taxing lift like the deadlift don't you know, eating more for recovery purposes is a bad idea!!!!! You don't need to eat more than normal when incorporating deadlifts into your regular strength training routine even if they are famously known to be one of the most muscular and CNS taxing lifts there are. More quality protein and fats have NOTHING to do with increasing muscle strength at all, mindless bulking with dat steak, dem chickens and veggies and good fats brah, don't do it!!!!!!


Also stop putting words into my mouth or making assumptions about my posts Jon Vance, when did I ever tell Parvez to start eating at McDonalds 3x a day? You wanna get stronger at a feat of strength that involves muscles to be stronger and work in unison? Train those muscles and fuel them properly. Telling someone to EAT when they are wanting to start training the DEADLIFT more seriously is far from bad advice.

Also telling someone to stay light and work heavy on the deadlift when they obviously don't have much experience with it, is well... silly. Do you suggest to gymbros who've never done a barbell squat in their lives to begin squatting with Smolov as their plan too?

[jvance]

Sorry, forgot you knew everything...

I think Parvez would like to keep his weight class - so I tailored my advice specifically to his goal.

[Guest Squat More]

I don't know everything, never claimed to know everything but obviously know more than some at some things.

He also said himself he has a belly etc. Eating quality food and eating often while putting in good work with deadlifts and squats would allow him to add muscle, get rid of some body fat and keep his weight class, right? Right.

Edited December 6, 2013 by Squat More

[jvance]

You just said eat more, you were not specific. If you implied healthy food I didn't catch on. 2: my advice was never directed toward you and it wasn't mean as anything other than advice to him. You don't have to get so defensive - I have nothing personal against you. So chill out man....

[Anthony C.]

I don't know everything, never claimed to know everything but obviously know more than some at some things.

He also said himself he has a belly etc. Eating quality food and eating often while putting in good work with deadlifts and squats would allow him to add muscle, get rid of some body fat and keep his weight class, right? Right.

There's no such thing as adding muscle while losing fat. If you're gaining weight that means you're on a caloric surplus. If you're losing weight you're on a deficit. I know you're gonna blow your lid because i said that, but sorry, it's true.

[Mike Sharkey]

I don't know everything, never claimed to know everything but obviously know more than some at some things.

He also said himself he has a belly etc. Eating quality food and eating often while putting in good work with deadlifts and squats would allow him to add muscle, get rid of some body fat and keep his weight class, right? Right.

There's no such thing as adding muscle while losing fat. If you're gaining weight that means you're on a caloric surplus. If you're losing weight you're on a deficit. I know you're gonna blow your lid because i said that, but sorry, it's true.

The metabolic equation is sooo much more complicated than calories in calories out.

Edited December 6, 2013 by Mike Sharkey

[Anthony C.]

I don't know everything, never claimed to know everything but obviously know more than some at some things.

He also said himself he has a belly etc. Eating quality food and eating often while putting in good work with deadlifts and squats would allow him to add muscle, get rid of some body fat and keep his weight class, right? Right.

There's no such thing as adding muscle while losing fat. If you're gaining weight that means you're on a caloric surplus. If you're losing weight you're on a deficit. I know you're gonna blow your lid because i said that, but sorry, it's true.

The metabolic equation is sooo much more complicated than calories in calories out.

I caught the post before your edit and I do appreciate the edit mike, lol.

There are three types of people that can make the phenomenon...

Beginners with high bodyfat, someone who took a long layoff of training, and drug users.

Look, I may not be able to shut some of the grippers others do around here, but I've been bodybuilding for a long, long time and know many bodybuilders. That's why there's a bulking and cutting cycle.

More muscle does make it easier for the body to burn fat, but only on a caloric deficit. Unless theres an excess of calories being consumed, the body just can't build muscle out of nowhere. Especially for advanced trainees...you have to force the body to grow muscle because biologically the body doesn't want more muscle. It's only job is to keep you alive.

At the end of the day, for 95% of people training, it is pretty much calories in vs calories out and that's my opinion unless someone can provide a study proving it wrong. That being said, I respect your opinion and am by no means trying to insult anyone! This is just a couple of guys having a discussion.

[Mike Sharkey]

I caught the post before your edit and I do appreciate the edit mike, lol.

I'm working on my temperance

[JamesG]

I'm not sure I agree. Maybe from a systamatic standpoint but I've seen tons of people do a recomposition. Its not easy and not sustainable for a long period of time but the human body is more capable than people realize. You've never seen someone maintain bodyweight and lose bodyfat at the same time? I've witnessed it a few times. This probably isnt the thread to debate this topic so maybe another time. And to be clear I do think its best to think in terms of calories in and calories out in regards to weight loss/gain...I just wouldnt say its impossible to lose a little fat and gain a little muscle at the same time. It is possible.

[Stephen Ruby]

That is only about 40lbs off the current WR in your weight class so great job

I like 5x5 also for heavy lifts even 3x5 is good most of the time if you throw in some accessory lifts for me. My deadlift is weak also, but you seem to have good leverages for the lift with long arms so you will make fast progress on it if you try.

I would say for the losing weight while eating/lifting I have seen it also and I also think noone really has a perfect answer for this either. I would tend to agree more often then not you gain weight on surplus and lose weight on deficit. I think he would benefit from working on his strength since he could pull 400+ which would be monstrous at his weight class and even the 93kg weight class.

Edited December 6, 2013 by Stephen Ruby

[Anthony C.]

I'm not sure I agree. Maybe from a systamatic standpoint but I've seen tons of people do a recomposition. Its not easy and not sustainable for a long period of time but the human body is more capable than people realize. You've never seen someone maintain bodyweight and lose bodyfat at the same time? I've witnessed it a few times. This probably isnt the thread to debate this topic so maybe another time. And to be clear I do think its best to think in terms of calories in and calories out in regards to weight loss/gain...I just wouldnt say its impossible to lose a little fat and gain a little muscle at the same time. It is possible.

In terms of just numbers on a scale, how can you be sure those people aren't just detoxing some water from all the sodium they were consuming trying to eat more food? I've seen guys lose ten pounds in a week, ie fighters. Doesnt mean theyre cutting fat.

Is it possible to lose a pound of fat while on a bulk? Sure, but the anabolic engine has to come to a complete halt and go into reverse for a bit.

[monstagripp]

Wow, Thanks Jvance, Squatmore and all the others for all the great tips guys!! I appreciate it!

I am eating twice a day and sometimes have breakfast, I would like to stay at my weight and loose a bit by summer to get under 83kg. I haven't done much squats, deadlifts or abs at all is my time and am not squatting at the moment. I guess I should start!