Norden Posted November 9, 2013 Share Posted November 9, 2013 What's your opinion on chokers? Have they helped you in any way, or just given you false confidence? If so - in what way do/did you use them? Reps, holds, heavy singles? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony C. Posted November 9, 2013 Share Posted November 9, 2013 I'm the farthest from being an expert, but we all know heavy negatives are awesome but it can be dangerous to let your hand "spring open" after doing one with a gripper you can't close regularly. Well chokers certainly eliminate that issue. So for safety goes, I think they're a good idea. As far as regular training goes, I think working the full range and manually setting a gripper is more effective.than choking it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterSweden Posted November 9, 2013 Share Posted November 9, 2013 (edited) I've had success with chokers. Thats how I closed coc3. I took my goalgripper, clamped it to almost paralell, exploded the handles shut and overcrushed it. When I could get a few singles that way I opened it up 1-2 millimeters the next time I traine and just kept doing this. While doing this I did some filed gripper overcrushes aswell, regular setting. Every now and then I took a gripper higher than my goalgripper and set it to paralell just to train the set aswell. It worked for me Edited November 9, 2013 by NewGrippster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Sharkey Posted November 9, 2013 Share Posted November 9, 2013 Do you have any pictures of how you chocker a gripper? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Squat More Posted November 9, 2013 Share Posted November 9, 2013 Read this:http://gripperstrength.wordpress.com/2008/05/07/choker-work-on-grippers/ 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony C. Posted November 9, 2013 Share Posted November 9, 2013 Read this:http://gripperstrength.wordpress.com/2008/05/07/choker-work-on-grippers/ Good read, man. Thanks for that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norden Posted November 9, 2013 Author Share Posted November 9, 2013 (edited) Read this: http://gripperstrength.wordpress.com/2008/05/07/choker-work-on-grippers/ I have read it and I have done quite alot of choker work myself. It's just that I'm not sure how much it actually helped me, and because of that I want others opinions on the subject. Edited November 9, 2013 by Norden Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Squat More Posted November 9, 2013 Share Posted November 9, 2013 What works for one person may not work for another, if you have done it and it hasn't worked for you, it either wont work for you, you will have to make changes, or you did it wrong. It is one of those three, now analyze your past training and see what you think it is, simple really if you use a training log. Best of luck man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CANCRUSHER Posted November 10, 2013 Share Posted November 10, 2013 I tried chokers and i noticed that destroy your setting strength. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted November 10, 2013 Share Posted November 10, 2013 I tried chokers and i noticed that destroy your setting strength. This is the same reason I don't use them. Heck even training wide set grippers lowers my set strength. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norden Posted November 10, 2013 Author Share Posted November 10, 2013 I tried chokers and i noticed that destroy your setting strength. I tried chokers and i noticed that destroy your setting strength. This is the same reason I don't use them. Heck even training wide set grippers lowers my set strength. When training with choked grippers I always train the set separately. Otherwise it would surely build false confidence. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norden Posted November 10, 2013 Author Share Posted November 10, 2013 (edited) What works for one person may not work for another, if you have done it and it hasn't worked for you, it either wont work for you, you will have to make changes, or you did it wrong. It is one of those three, now analyze your past training and see what you think it is, simple really if you use a training log. Best of luck man. Well, you misunderstood me. It's not that it didn't work for me, it's that I I'm not sure how well it worked, or if it was a good idea at all. It's such a long time since I used that method. Two years ago when I trained for closing the #3 I used chokers on that one and on my MM2 replica, and I felt it built confidence to be able to easily hold those grippers closed, for time. It feels like such a long time ago now though, so I can't really remember if was actually worth using this method or not. That's why I'm asking people here, cause say if 3-4-5 top guys, or guys that I respect and believe in, would say that this method worked for them in this or that way, or not at all... then I would consider that valuable information. Edited November 10, 2013 by Norden Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CANCRUSHER Posted November 10, 2013 Share Posted November 10, 2013 I tried chokers and i noticed that destroy your setting strength. This is the same reason I don't use them. Heck even training wide set grippers lowers my set strength. Good point chez:every set requires specific training,especially parallel set. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mephistopholes Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 (edited) I feel that it is probably best treated as an assistance exercise, not a primary exercise. Here's something to try (but remember, I have not done this myself): Let's say you're training MMS closes. You warmup, get up to your working gripper, do maybe 5 sets of 3, and then the stress of setting the gripper and holding it at parallel for a second before closing it is really starting to tire you. It's becoming limiting, but you feel like you can do more closes, and you want to keep training. Then put the gripper in the choker, and do a few more sets. You've done your hard work sets, you've practiced closing the gripper after setting it to parallel, now you're just getting a little extra work in at the final crushing range. To me, that seems like a good application of a choker. Do your normal work first, focus your training on your goal; after that, use the choker for a bit of assistance work. If you're someone who can handle the volume, this might help you. But don't use the choker for your primary work sets. Only for assistance afterward. Edited November 11, 2013 by Mephistopholes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gripmaniac Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 I believe using chokers helped my crushing strength a heck of a lot and provided some really useful training variety. At the risk of sounding like a heretic that does not imply that was subsequently able to close "bigger grippers". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1stCoC Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 For what it is worth . The Russians in my era made some huge strides in strength development. Three things they did that was different from the American mode was. Train " same same" ( train as you compete) develop a base strength athletic level first, and if you can do something in a harder or more full range of motion (like Alexeyeve doing extreme range good mornings and him doing cleans in a river to feel weight and outside slowing forces at the same time ( similar to using bands with weights as added resistance) I have used these principals for years in designing training routines, and hopefully spot on old school but ,scientific based strength and grip equipment. A last thought .....the Americans relied on brute strength falling back to "bulling things up "with pure force but the Russians were athletes first, technique perfection second ,and same / same training third beat the pants off of us in competition although they admitted Americans were much stronger .. If you applied some of this reasoning to grip training it may serve you well to reach your goals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truth1ness Posted November 12, 2013 Share Posted November 12, 2013 I'm the farthest from being an expert, but we all know heavy negatives are awesome but it can be dangerous to let your hand "spring open" after doing one with a gripper you can't close regularly. Can you explain this further? I don't really train negatives much but I usually let my hand spring open real fast so I can focus more on the concentric and get less skin wear and tear but I didn't know this could be dangerous. Am I doing something dangerous allow the gripper to spring open real fast? Should I be controlling it on the opening phase? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1stCoC Posted November 12, 2013 Share Posted November 12, 2013 I was more relating to full range movements, smooth technique and if you are training to reach a goal of reps ...do reps... If you are looking for a huge crush certification such as a credit card official CoC ....train that way with full range (or over range) high intensity reps. Therefore, train as YOU wish to succeed or compete. Negatives are like driving with the breaks on ....I wouldn't do it too often even though it has a "marginal" positive effect if not overdone. Isometrics or short range movements years ago were proven to build strength specifically in the position or range used . If you wanted to full sweep close a gripper moving through a number of angles of change why then only train one portion?????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony C. Posted November 12, 2013 Share Posted November 12, 2013 I'm the farthest from being an expert, but we all know heavy negatives are awesome but it can be dangerous to let your hand "spring open" after doing one with a gripper you can't close regularly. Can you explain this further? I don't really train negatives much but I usually let my hand spring open real fast so I can focus more on the concentric and get less skin wear and tear but I didn't know this could be dangerous. Am I doing something dangerous allow the gripper to spring open real fast? Should I be controlling it on the opening phase? If you do decide to do negatives or holds with a gripper, yes, don't let your hand spring open as that can cause injury to your knuckles over time. When I do them, I usually gey my other hand ready as im about to release, and then I open slowly with the aid of my other hand. But what Mr. sorin is saying is right,.full range training is optimal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truth1ness Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 Ok, cool. So it's safe to rapidly let go with regular max effort full range attempts, correct? I haven't noticed any knuckle pain from releasing super fast, and it seems to be easier on the skin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mephistopholes Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 Like any major, heavy lift, you should "let it down" under control. You can let it open quickly, but keep it controlled, don't let it spring open. Use your other hand to assist it, if you really think it will be an issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony C. Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 Like any major, heavy lift, you should "let it down" under control. You can let it open quickly, but keep it controlled, don't let it spring open. Use your other hand to assist it, if you really think it will be an issue. Exactly. Think of it as any other lift you're doing. controlled release Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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