Mikael Siversson Posted October 24, 2013 Share Posted October 24, 2013 Out of respect for all the work poor Aaron put in to set up the records lists on the NAGS site, the least you organisers can do is to make sure that you add the competition results in a timely fashion. Aaron is dropping hints every now and again but you lot simply don't seem to care. Really disappointing and disrespectful as well. I am sure you are all so very busy but so was probably Aaron as well. How do you think we can grow the sport and make it more recognised if you cannot do the simplest of tasks? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Eric Roussin Posted October 24, 2013 Share Posted October 24, 2013 As a target, I would recommend that contest results be posted within 48 hours of the completion of an event, with data entered into the top 50 lists within two weeks. For international events, by default the onus should fall on the overall organizer to enter the data, but cooperation between individual venue promoters should be encouraged. Do these sound like reasonable guidelines? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew P Posted October 24, 2013 Share Posted October 24, 2013 Agree. They should be compleated by Friday at the latest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acorn Posted October 24, 2013 Share Posted October 24, 2013 (edited) It would be really helpful if each and every promoter entered their own scores. Thats the only way they will ever get entered in a timely fashion. Some promoters have been very good about it others seem to have no interest. I just don't have the time right now to stay on top of it. Super busy with new job and new baby, don't even have a chance to get on the computer at home more than 2 or 3 times a month for a few minutes at a time. That is why only have 1 venue of this years WSH, 1 promoter entered their scores. -Aaron Edited October 24, 2013 by acorn 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted October 24, 2013 Share Posted October 24, 2013 It would be really helpful if each and every promoter entered their own scores. Thats the only way they will ever get entered in a timely fashion. Some promoters have been very good about it others seem to have no interest. I just don't have the time right now to stay on top of it. Super busy with new job and new baby, don't even have a chance to get on the computer at home more than 2 or 3 times a month for a few minutes at a time. That is why only have 1 venue of this years WSH, 1 promoter entered their scores. -Aaron I can enter the scores for the NY location of the King Kong comp. I have no problem doing it. I just didn't know I was suppose to. This is my first time holding a competition with postal scale weighed weights. I just need to be shown how to get into the system. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedd Johnson Posted October 26, 2013 Share Posted October 26, 2013 As a target, I would recommend that contest results be posted within 48 hours of the completion of an event, with data entered into the top 50 lists within two weeks. For international events, by default the onus should fall on the overall organizer to enter the data, but cooperation between individual venue promoters should be encouraged. Do these sound like reasonable guidelines? All depends on the specific situation. It's not like we just sit around with our thumbs up our asses, purposely not posting results. I swear some of you people act like contest promoters have nothing better to do than to process data from contests. It gets pretty annoying, to be honest. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikael Siversson Posted October 27, 2013 Author Share Posted October 27, 2013 Different levels of commitment I suppose. I remember the 2004 European Championship, held in Sweden. Arne Persson, the promoter, phoned me (in Australia) the results, event by event, as they were happening (live reporting) and I posted them, as they were coming in, live on the Gripboard. The last event was finished around 6pm or thereabouts, which is 1 am local Perth time. After I was finished I went to bed. That, my friends, is commitment to the sport. To sit on results for two weeks shows the opposite. Organisers may not like to hear it but it is what it is. Some results, as Aaron explain, never gets added to the lists, unless Aaron does it himself again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen Ruby Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 As a target, I would recommend that contest results be posted within 48 hours of the completion of an event, with data entered into the top 50 lists within two weeks. For international events, by default the onus should fall on the overall organizer to enter the data, but cooperation between individual venue promoters should be encouraged. Do these sound like reasonable guidelines? All depends on the specific situation. It's not like we just sit around with our thumbs up our asses, purposely not posting results. I swear some of you people act like contest promoters have nothing better to do than to process data from contests. It gets pretty annoying, to be honest. I liked your idea of having members on here help add the data to help the promoters out. Aaron did do a lot of work to put it together so it would be great to get the scores whenever possible. I know a lot of members myself included could pitch in. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jvance Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 Yep time to step up.... It's everyone's sport and we all need to contribute... We can't just count on the veterans to carry the burden... Jedd has done a great deal to push the sport here in the US... So I don't think criticism is fair 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acorn Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 Thanks guys. I'll try to work with the volunteers this week to get accounts setup and past results parceled out to get caught up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedd Johnson Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 Different levels of commitment I suppose. I remember the 2004 European Championship, held in Sweden. Arne Persson, the promoter, phoned me (in Australia) the results, event by event, as they were happening (live reporting) and I posted them, as they were coming in, live on the Gripboard. The last event was finished around 6pm or thereabouts, which is 1 am local Perth time. After I was finished I went to bed. That, my friends, is commitment to the sport. It's a shame this level of commitment to the sport ended so many years ago. For many of us, this is when we began and have continued to go strong ever since. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mac Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 That WAS a great meet report, even down to you falling out with the organizer over a rule change if I recall correctly? :-) Out of interest, how many meet results are currently missing from the database? One suggestion might be to put up a list of "missing results" at any given time and people can then volunteer to add them as they can, rather than volunteer now and find that they are unable to give the time at a later date. Making it visible to all would surely help out all involved - I don't think anyone truly believes "X went to all be trouble of putting on a comp but can't now be bothered to enter the results". I know I've certainly been guilty of volunteering things and trying to put things together (comps, refereeing, magazines - actually the whole gamut) but have been unable due to one constraint or another. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedd Johnson Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 There are probably only a few. The number isn't important. They could be entered and caught up within a few hours with as many volunteers as we got over the weekend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hubgeezer Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 Out of respect for all the work poor Aaron put in to set up the records lists on the NAGS site, the least you organisers can do is to make sure that you add the competition results in a timely fashion. Aaron is dropping hints every now and again but you lot simply don't seem to care. Really disappointing and disrespectful as well. I am sure you are all so very busy but so was probably Aaron as well. How do you think we can grow the sport and make it more recognised if you cannot do the simplest of tasks? The year was 2007. You were in charge of the "lists" for Top 50 for Vertical Bar, as well as Two Hand Pinch. They were your babies. They didn't get updated. You did not want to give it up. This went on for almost years. As a matter of fact, the whole thing more or less collapsed because no one was trained or warned. You practically dropped out of sight from the Gripboard. Initially, I believe, you said you would get around to it. You didn't. I can't see beating up and shaming guys on this forum for dragging their feet a little bit. And, this may be old news, and a low blow to someone who has done much for the sport (Mikael), but I certainly can understand someone cutting them some slack. You have always been blunt, and the above is vintage stuff. And, it may even be accurate. However, all of us have clay feet from time to time, even the meticulous and accurate and exacting Mr. Siversson. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikael Siversson Posted October 30, 2013 Author Share Posted October 30, 2013 (edited) Not comparable in any shape or form. Updating those list was a monumental task (I was not just updating top 50 lists from comps that I co-organised but results from all competitions). Posting competition results and adding your own data to a largely automated (thanks to the hard work of Aaron) top 10 list is hardly much of a reason to drag your feet. Edited October 30, 2013 by Mikael Siversson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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