1 Hand Pinch As A % Of 2 Hp

[bubba29]

OK, I don't have any experience in this lift. It was widely competed this past weekend. What is the general consensus on this in terms of percentage? Is the 1HP 50% of the 2HP? is it less or is it more?

[Eric Roussin]

For some it's 50% or a bit more, but I think for most competitors it's a bit less than 50%. For me it's closer to 40% than 50%.

[jvance]

with my right hand it is right under 50%: 101/201... combined 1hp for left and right... i am at 193: 101/92..

though i am pleased with my 1hp progress - this ratio seems to indicate key elements missing in the 2hp.... i still haven't incorporated max wrist and elbow tension into the 2hp - once i combine the two my numbers will go through the roof

[Jedd Johnson]

OP,

I think it is too early to start trying to make inferences based on the data, because most people aren't even pinching on their optimal width yet and their technique is severely lacking in these lifts.

Jon,

MOST people are not coming anywhere near maximizing this. They just reach down and "pinch really hard." And that is not the best approach.

You do bring up a good point though that the ratio will be different per hand no matter how hard you try.

Jedd

[Electron]

At SoH6 I pulled on the 2HP for the first time.

If I remember correctly, Eric's implement weighs 67#s empty at the setting I used. This went up easily with either hand.

However, when it came time to use both hands, 134# don't go up nearly as easily.

After much warming up and getting used to the device, 133.7 was my final pull.

This suggests to me, at least in my limited experience with the device, that for an amateur it was easier to pull one handed @50%.

I speculate this is because it's more straightforward to find a good placement. Either you lift it or you don't. When using two hands for the first time, you wonder more about hand placement in relation to the other, posture, etc.

[climber511]

I've written some thoughts up on this somewhere else on the board but I'll do a short write up again. One factor is the way ones thumb apposes the fingers - some people have hands that oppose in such a manner that the "pad" pushes flat on the pinch block across from the strongest opposing fingers. Others have hands that do not do this but the sides of the thumbs are the contact areas and in a lesser opposing position. This doesn't allow the thumb pad to work as effectively I think. There are some corrective things one can do with this in the two hand version of the lift considering these factors.

The secret to a big two hand pinch is "learning" how to take one plus one and make 3 - this may be done in a different way for each person. In the 2HP by using the entire body - lats, shoulders, elbows, wrists etc it is possible to use the hands in such a way as to "assist" the weaker two fingers and add additional "twisting force" and "levering" force - (not a good wording but its all I've got). If you watch the one hand pinch videos you see that the apparatus wants to turn as it is being lifting - an indication of the forces the body instinctively tries to use - this factor becomes more apparent when you look at the position at which the thumbs oppose the strongest opposing finger position.

Hope this makes some kind of sense, .

[truth1ness]

"twisting force" and "levering" force - (not a good wording but its all I've got)

Is torque the word you're looking for?

[monstagripp]

OK, I don't have any experience in this lift. It was widely competed this past weekend. What is the general consensus on this in terms of percentage? Is the 1HP 50% of the 2HP? is it less or is it more?

You should be able to lift more weight when using 2 hands, I can pinch 2 x 20kg plates with both hands at the same time, and can do over 90kg when using 2 hands.